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    "The fine-tuning necessary for life to exist on a planet is nothing compared to the fine-tuning required for the universe to exist at all."

    Good video. In my main argument against evolution, I have always highlighted the astronomical odds of just even just one body part such as an eyeball, or the nervous system evolving much less a whole functioning human body 'evolving' over time, along with a perfect match of the opposite sex, with the bodies evolving in such a way they could reproduce, etc. When you then put it in context of the entire universe, the universe being the macro side of this whole thing 'just happening' and life on earth being the micro side of events, with the astronomical odds of even the universe 'just happening', it even makes the micro event of life on earth even that much more astronomical odds. There are no odds of this happening apart from divine design and creation. The odds don't exist.

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    And now, some are using this to claim aliens are the ones that intelligently designed the universe and they are on their way back soon to save mankind.

    So, this is turning out to be another doctrine of devils.... you know, demons telling people they are aliens from another planet.

    Lots of demons showing shiny stuff in the skys all over the world has a lot of folks believing the alien stuff.
    Not very many at all hold that view, at least among scientists.

    Actually, the Intelligent Design movement is really giving evolutionary theory a run for the money, but Evos just duck and weave and never really address the actual evidence for Intelligent Design.

    There are amazing advances being made in every area of physics and more and more it points to Information and Intelligent Design.


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    Quote Originally Posted by fuego View Post
    "The fine-tuning necessary for life to exist on a planet is nothing compared to the fine-tuning required for the universe to exist at all."

    Good video. In my main argument against evolution, I have always highlighted the astronomical odds of just even just one body part such as an eyeball, or the nervous system evolving much less a whole functioning human body 'evolving' over time, along with a perfect match of the opposite sex, with the bodies evolving in such a way they could reproduce, etc. When you then put it in context of the entire universe, the universe being the macro side of this whole thing 'just happening' and life on earth being the micro side of events, with the astronomical odds of even the universe 'just happening', it even makes the micro event of life on earth even that much more astronomical odds. There are no odds of this happening apart from divine design and creation. The odds don't exist.
    Yeah, even the odds of developing one small (only 255 characters long) functional protein by random search (dice throw) requires more time than the age of the Universe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GodismyJudge View Post
    Not very many at all hold that view, at least among scientists.
    That's not what I'm hearing... lots of folks including some scientists believe aliens are the ones that intelligently designed not only the universe but mankind.

    Just an off shoot of angel worship... fallen angel worship, although they don't call them angels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Farm Truck View Post
    That's not what I'm hearing... lots of folks including some scientists believe aliens are the ones that intelligently designed not only the universe but mankind.
    Maybe you could actually name more that just a couple for me then...

    Now the New-Agers - sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GodismyJudge View Post
    Yeah, even the odds of developing one small (only 255 characters long) functional protein by random search (dice throw) requires more time than the age of the Universe.
    Exactly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GodismyJudge View Post
    Now the New-Agers - sure.
    There are scientists that are new agers... point being, not every scientist that see evidence of intelligent design runs out to a local church to ask Jesus in to their heart.

    satan is taking advantage of this to try and claim responsibility for intelligent design in his ongoing attempt to get men to worship him instead of God.

    So the alien narrative works well for ol slewfoot. I've read stuff about this on the net so I'm sure you can do some research and find these nutjobs that think aliens created mankind and is coming back to save us!... if you were interested in knowing,

    I'm not myself since I've heard satan's garbage before. his stripes never change...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Farm Truck View Post
    That's not what I'm hearing... lots of folks including some scientists believe aliens are the ones that intelligently designed not only the universe but mankind.

    Just an off shoot of angel worship... fallen angel worship, although they don't call them angels.
    Or at least that they came here and affected the development of life at times without leaving any trace that is discernable to scientists of today. Then evolutionists attempt to puzzle together the pieces into "evolution did it all" where the alien scenario isn't taken into account at all and the result is a puzzle that looks like "evolution did it" but the pieces have been forced into place and many of them belong elsewhere. Now replace aliens with God and the scene looks the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Farm Truck View Post
    There are scientists that are new agers... point being, not every scientist that see evidence of intelligent design runs out to a local church to ask Jesus in to their heart.

    satan is taking advantage of this to try and claim responsibility for intelligent design in his ongoing attempt to get men to worship him instead of God.

    So the alien narrative works well for ol slewfoot. I've read stuff about this on the net so I'm sure you can do some research and find these nutjobs that think aliens created mankind and is coming back to save us!... if you were interested in knowing,

    I'm not myself since I've heard satan's garbage before. his stripes never change...
    No, I was asking you, since you seemed informed.

    But it seems you were only speaking out of a sort of generalized, I-read-it some-where-on-the-internet knowledge.

    The point is, that rejecting Intelligent Design is getting harder and harder to deny.

    Creation testifies of God. There is a reason for that.
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    Ironically I think more and more will embrace the alien belief...I am disgusted that my grandson was talking just this weekend about this being something discussed at his school...at age 13 this seems to be a common discussion among kids his age..

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