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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonathan david View Post
    John 12:36, that's a good verse for prevenient grace.
    How about John 1:11-12 ?

    11 He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him.
    12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name:"

    His appearing precedes receiving/believing in him precedes becoming a child of God.

    Or John 5:25 ? Notice that Koine Greek has three voices for verbs : passive, middle and active.

    25 Most assuredly, I say to you, the hour is coming, and now is, when the dead will hear (passive voice) the voice of the Son of God; and those who hear (middle voice) will live.

    Hearing his voice precedes listening to his voice precedes becoming alive

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    Being a Southern reformed bush worshiper I apply Calvin's T.U.L.I.P. principles to my doctrine often. Rose bushes are a thorn in my side.... literally....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Femme* View Post
    I mean, don't we ALL think our's in the correct and most acceptable interpretation?
    No. I KNOW mine is the correct and most acceptable interpretation. What is Calvinism Really About?-innocent2-gif

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    The Calvinist holds that all human beings desire to flee from God unless and until the Holy Spirit performs a work of regeneration.
    Calvinists do not deny that the will is free to choose whatever it desires.
    Edwards defines the will as "that which the mind chooses."
    Every choice we make is for a reason and the will' is the choosing faculty.
    Not only is the truth of the gospel based on historical events, but is also based on the eyewitness accounts of those who saw with their eyes and heard with their ears.
    To reject the testimony of the apostles and what they recorded as Gods word is a right of that individuals free will which would result in eternal damnation.
    God will protect your right to go to hell if you choose so.
    If you put God First, you have Him at Last.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smitty View Post
    The Calvinist holds that all human beings desire to flee from God unless and until the Holy Spirit performs a work of regeneration.
    Calvinists do not deny that the will is free to choose whatever it desires.
    Edwards defines the will as "that which the mind chooses."
    Every choice we make is for a reason and the will' is the choosing faculty.
    Not only is the truth of the gospel based on historical events, but is also based on the eyewitness accounts of those who saw with their eyes and heard with their ears.
    To reject the testimony of the apostles and what they recorded as Gods word is a right of that individuals free will which would result in eternal damnation.
    God will protect your right to go to hell if you choose so.
    Hmmm, OK. After a month immersed in a Calvinist Website, the jist of most of the comments were essentially a "hardline":
    1 - Man doesn't have the SLIGHTEST ABILITY to CHOOSE SALVATION, because he is UNABLE TO DO SO.
    2 - Any hint that Man can CHOOSE GOD robs God of his TOTAL CREDIT for salvation - man MUST get 0% credit

    Plenty of assorted quotes from apparent favorite Calvinist hero Charles Spurgeon.

    SIDE NOTE: One guy posted a Michael Brown "Why I am not a Calvinist" video. Reason: Why does God grieve over those that reject him - if he planned it that way anyway!!! and, ahem, nobody even tried to answer it, other than a guy who just scoffed at him, with no content.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonathan david View Post
    1 - Man doesn't have the SLIGHTEST ABILITY to CHOOSE SALVATION, because he is UNABLE TO DO SO.
    Whatever man's original ability is, Holy Spirit conviction enables him to see and to make a choice - for or against.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jonathan david View Post
    2 - Any hint that Man can CHOOSE GOD robs God of his TOTAL CREDIT for salvation - man MUST get 0% credit
    That's a misunderstanding because without the redeeming work of Christ, man's choice to accept would accomplish nothing. 100% of the credit is with God but he still requires a response to conviction for that redeeming work to apply. The decision to accept our response was His and not ours.

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    let me just give a bit of clarification.
    at least from my perspective, I don't speak for all reformed folks everywhere.

    It's not just that "man cannot" do X.

    it's that Man gave up his options when he chose sin. We now are tainted from conception. (Yeah, there's a lot of discussion about that.. not getting into it here.. just making the general point.)

    we don't start out like Make A Deal with doors to choose from. Adam made the choice for us, we're already in sin, without the ability to opt out. The ONLY way out for us is Jesus' sacrifice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Femme* View Post
    let me just give a bit of clarification.
    at least from my perspective, I don't speak for all reformed folks everywhere.

    It's not just that "man cannot" do X.

    it's that Man gave up his options when he chose sin. We now are tainted from conception. (Yeah, there's a lot of discussion about that.. not getting into it here.. just making the general point.)

    we don't start out like Make A Deal with doors to choose from. Adam made the choice for us, we're already in sin, without the ability to opt out. The ONLY way out for us is Jesus' sacrifice.
    So we all need to be convicted by the Holy Spirit about the gospel and its truthfulness or we will never truly believe it.

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