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    Is the shroud of Turin real or fake?

    Let me be the first to state my opinion and why I believe its a hoax.

    The shroud of Turin became known about A.D. 1357 when it was exhibited in a small wooden church at the French provincial town of Lirey.
    When the shroud came into the possession of the House of Savoy it was accepted in some ways as the true shroud of Christ.
    Around A.D. 1464 Pope Sixtus IV let it be known that he regarded the garment as an authentic relic.
    In A.D. 1578 the shroud was moved to Turin, Italy. It has remained there ever since, except for a six-year period in WW2 where it was removed for safeguard.

    The Catholic church is notorious for coming up with all kinds of relics. In their thinking, relics give some kind of authenticity to the church.
    Another relic that is given to the people is presented with the suggestion that God gives these kind of things only to the "true" church.

    We will all agree that Jesus took a terrible beating. Considering the disfigurement the beating caused, I seriously doubt that any shroud or cloth would have left any kind of identifying mark.

    God's word says; "I gave my back to the smiters, and my cheeks to them that plucked off my hair: I hid not my face from shame and spitting (Isa 50:6).
    Here it says that His beard was plucked off. This within itself would have caused horrible swelling and disfigurement, as well as the loss of some blood.

    "And they clothed Him with purple, and platted a crown of thorns, and put it about His head (Mk 15:17).
    We are told that the kind of thorns used in the makeshift crown that went upon Jesus' head were "victors' thorns. They are said to be about six inches long and are strong and sharp.

    "...they smote him on the head with a reed" (Mk 15:19).
    The Roman soldiers hit Jesus over the head with a reed. You can imagine what this did to Him. They were beating the crown into His scalp as the thorns pressed deeply into His brow. His head must have swelled far beyond its normal size.

    "...His visage was so marred more than any man, and His form more than the son's of men" (Isa 52:14).
    Jesus endured brutal suffering. He was so bruised, beaten, marred, disfigured, stricken, mutilated, injured, spat upon, and torn that His outward appearance was ghastly to behold.

    When a person considers all the things that the Word of God says about the terrible disfigurement of Jesus' countenance ("visage") and the horrible death He died, it seems highly unlikely that any garment placed upon his face would have left any imprint even remotely resembling that of a human. It seems from Scripture that Jesus' countenance was grotesque after the pulling of His beard, the placing of the crown of thorns, and the beating he took upon His head. Considering that the Scripture says His "visage" [face] was so marred more than any man," I think the evidence is fairly conclusive. Any garment placed over Him would have left no recognizable imprint.

    Therefore, it is my opinion that the shroud of Turin is not real. It is another relic produced by the Catholic church to deceive a gullible public into believing that the Catholic church is the final authority. The use of relics add to their prestige and authenticity that they are the only true church.
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    My first thought is that the image would have been "burned" into the shroud at the moment the power of God raised Jesus from the dead, thus the perfect image of his face, rather than the disfigured, beaten one.

    Just a thought... not saying I believe it actually is what they claim it is. I haven't watched any documentaries or read any in depth articles or books about it.

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    I doubt it is authentic

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    Quote Originally Posted by A.J. View Post
    My first thought is that the image would have been "burned" into the shroud at the moment the power of God raised Jesus from the dead, thus the perfect image of his face, rather than the disfigured, beaten one.

    Just a thought... not saying I believe it actually is what they claim it is. I haven't watched any documentaries or read any in depth articles or books about it.
    Me too AJ, like a cloth photograph the the supernatural flash of light, etc, when Jesus was raised from the dead. The image is a negative. You really can't tell what it looks like until you 'develop' it.

    I've seen several things on it over the years. One interesting thing is that the image actually contains 3D encoding. They have pics of the image on the Shroud with this 3D effect. Just Google 'shroud of Turin 3D encoding' or something along those lines and read about it and click on 'images' in Google to see them.

    Having said that, I'm like TT, I somewhat doubt it is authentic, but then again I can't really say for sure.

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    I am indifferent....it may or may mot be but I have a file for that stuff called the 'I don't know' file. Once I watched a documentary on it...it was convincing if one was open to it...but there is no way for ME to know for sure...

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    The carbon 14 (radiocarbon dating) C-14, testing was performed on small centimeters of the fabric in which the image is on. In the original 1989 report submitted by three independent separate labs, the approximate dates of the fiber material examined was between 1290 though 1360. Only the fabric was dated, not the image itself.

    Even if the burial cloth did come down to us from the first century, there were thousands of Roman crucifixions. Noting, that it would be impossible to narrow down the image as that of Christ Himself, among so many people who were put to death in the same manner.

    This is pure speculation, but I've even heard it rumored that Leonardo DaVinci (4-15-1452 to 5-2-1519) created the shroud on the fabric noted above.

    With so much theory and inconclusive evidence surrounding the shroud of Turin, I still hold to the opinion that it is a forgery.
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    Anyone remember this thread from a couple of years ago and the video in this post?

    http://livingfaithforum.com/forum/sh...ll=1#post19377

    It involved Colton Burpo, the little boy who died and came back from 'Heaven is for Real', and Akiane Kramarik who at 8 years old painted 'The Prince of Peace'.

    https://art-soulworks.com/pages/heav...-real-painting

    They both say that Akaine's portrait of Jesus is accurate and according to a documentary made a few years ago involving a lot of computer 3D imaging, Akiane's drawing and the image made from the Shroud are pretty much identical. Just something to chew on. :)

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    Answer: FAKE

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    The Bible says that they wrapped strips of cloth around him and there was a face cloth separate from the other burial wrappings, which mitigates against the shroud.

    Not only that, but just for the sake of argument, let's say it was a shroud. We know that they put something like 75 pounds of spices on him, which would have been Myrrh. Myrrh is a dark, sticky gummy substance used in burials that they would have spread all over the shroud like it was peanut butter. That massive amount of a sticky spice would have shown up on the shroud in all of those tests of the fabric if it had ever been a burial garment for ancient Jewish person.

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