Thread: Wommack

A great book...Living In The Balance of Grace and Faith by Andrew Womack....it clearly presents his position...

Actually I just revisited that book and in chapter 19 he does teach that our reborn spirit is SEALED and that sin contaminates our soul and our flesh....but does not break that seal...

Originally Posted by Quest

Actually I just revisited that book and in chapter 19 he does teach that our reborn spirit is SEALED and that sin contaminates our soul and our flesh....but does not break that seal...

If the seal cannot be broken, then he believes in OSAS. What these securitists always leave out is the free will of man.

Originally Posted by Nikos

If the seal cannot be broken, then he believes in OSAS. What these securitists always leave out is the free will of man.

Not sure he does though....his emphasize is faith is necessary for grace....sin extinguishes faith in degrees and he believes this....so if he believes sin cannot extinguish faith in salvation then I disagree....like you I believe a person can, as an act of their will and knowingly choose to turn from Christ solidly...

I am not convinced he does not believe that we can break that seal through a lack of faith...need to listen closer....

Originally Posted by Quest

Not sure he does though....his emphasize is faith is necessary for grace....sin extinguishes faith in degrees and he believes this....so if he believes sin cannot extinguish faith in salvation then I disagree....like you I believe a person can, as an act of their will and knowingly choose to turn from Christ solidly...

I am not convinced he does not believe that we can break that seal through a lack of faith...need to listen closer....

I agree with you on the points you are making. However, I thought I heard him say that the seal could not be broken. That sin could not ever break the seal.

Thanks for the information.

Originally Posted by GodismyJudge

Here you go, I believe I had a quickening of the Spirit...

I looked up a particular verse to see what he might say about it in his online Bible Commentary.

Colossians 1:23
If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;

Here is what he believes...

Note 20 at Colossians 1:23:

The word “if” used here makes our being holy, blameless, and unreproveable conditional upon us continuing in the faith. This has led some to believe that we may have been saved by God’s grace, but our actions keep us saved. That’s not so.

It’s our faith in what Jesus did for us that saved us, and our faith must continue to be in Christ, not in ourselves, to maintain salvation. Our holiness, righteousness, and justification are gifts that we receive in our spirits through Jesus. These things are not irrevocable. We can’t lose our salvation through not being good enough, but we can reject it. We weren’t forced to be saved, and the Lord won’t force us to stay saved. We have to hold on to faith in Christ as our only hope of salvation (see note 4 at 1 Corinthians 15:2, note 4 at Galatians 4:11, and my note at Hebrews 6:4).

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Note 21 at Colossians 1:23:

The Greek word that was translated “grounded” here, “THEMELIOO,” literally means “to lay a basis for” (Strong’s Concordance). It was translated “founded” in Matthew 7:25 and Luke 6:48 in Jesus’ parable of the man who built his house upon the rock. The house withstood the flood because it was “founded” upon a rock.

This same Greek word was translated “hast laid the foundation” in Hebrews 1:10, speaking of Jesus laying the “foundation” of the earth. It was translated as “settle” in 1 Peter 5:10 and “grounded” in Ephesians 3:17.

Paul was describing someone who has a good foundation in and is well established in the faith.

Note 22 at Colossians 1:23:

The English word “settle” was translated from the Greek word “HEDRAIOS,” and this Greek word means “sedentary, i.e. (by implication) immovable” (Strong’s Concordance). This is not describing people who are just acquainted with faith, but those who are so well established that they can’t be moved from their faith in Christ.

Note 23 at Colossians 1:23:

Paul’s statement that the Gospel “was preached to every creature which is under heaven” is not to be taken literally. This is not the case, because the Lord Jesus said in Matthew 24:14, “And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.” The Gospel reaching every person is one of the occurrences that will usher in the second coming of the Lord, and that hasn’t happened yet. Paul himself said he tried to preach the Gospel where Christ was not named (Romans 15:20); that means people who had not been reached yet.

This statement is to be taken as a hyperbole; that is, an intentional exaggeration for the purpose of emphasis. This is the same way children speak when they say, “But Mom, everyone is doing it!” They don’t mean every single person is doing it, but they are clearly exaggerating to make their point. They would not defend that statement literally.

This is the same way Paul spoke earlier in this chapter in Colossians 1:6. He was not claiming that every single individual in the world during his time had heard the Gospel. But the Gospel was spreading so fast and so far that even the Pharisees of Jesus’ day said, “Perceive ye how ye prevail nothing? behold, the world is gone after him” (John 12:19). They certainly had not “gone after” Jesus, so this is understood to be a hyperbole; i.e., an exaggeration to emphasize a point.

http://www.awmi.net/reading/online-b...olossians/1/23

Thanks...I remember when I read the book years ago that was stated but not emphasized because his POV it assurance....assurance for those who are sin conscious and fearful..

But I recalled concluding that sin diminishes our faith...and if we choose to continue in sin our faith decreases and our heart hardens....and it is possible to reach the point of willfully choosing to reject our very salvation....but as in the video above he does not mention that at all...

Being sealed by the Spirit and having received him as a guarantee of the future inheritance is a central Biblical teaching.

2 Cor 1:22 who also has sealed us and given us the Spirit in our hearts as a guarantee.

2 Cor 5:5 Now He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who also has given us the Spirit as a guarantee.

Eph 4:13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise,
14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.

Eph 4:30 And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.

The seal cannot be broken, how could someone break the Holy Spirit of God ? But the Spirit could decide to depart, thereby removing himself as a seal. And a guarantee (as in a pawn) is only valid as long as one possesses it.

2 Cor 13:5 Examine yourselves as to whether you are in the faith. Test yourselves. Do you not know yourselves, that Jesus Christ is in you?—unless indeed you are disqualified

The main test of whether we are in the faith or not is if Jesus Christ lives in us. He lives in us by his Holy Spirit, who is also the seal and guarantee of our redemption.

1 John 5:12 He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life.

Is it possible to fool oneself into thinking that one (still) has faith and that one (still) has the Spirit of God ? Yes. These things aren't a matter of mental alignment, nor of emotions, they are actualities.

Right.. no one can break that seal except the one sealed....

He clearly rejects the idea that we are saved without our will or that we break the seal without our will, by accident...by some unrecognized or momentary lapse of the flesh or the soul...that God never rejects US...but that we can choose to reject HIM..