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    Question for those who think God puts our spirit in us.

    This relates to another thread but is different so I'll put it here. As TT put it:

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal TT View Post
    I think Colonel believes that even though humans make children physically God personally and literally sends a spirit to every conceived human in the womb.
    Now of those who believe this some apparently think that God has a stock room full of spirits to use and others (such as the Colonel) think He creates them at the time.

    Another thing Colonel says is "God is the one who gives souls. If they (i.e. Adam and Eve FFO) hadn't sinned then I would eventually have been born into a sinless world and everything would have been allright"

    OK, so I'm currently doing a roast and this time I put in less vegies including no onion. I decided "at the time" that this roast would be slightly different to previous ones and I wondered about God creating souls.

    Creating souls at the time and Colonel's "I would eventually have been born" don't gel with me because it implies that there's something that dictates that at some point in time God MUST create the Colonel. He's God, doesn't He get a choice in what He does?

    On the other hand what if there's a stockpile? According to some (most) here God looked down the corridors of time and elected to save those who He saw would believe. So He'd have to match things up exactly right wouldn't He as He couldn't have someone lost that He hadn't previously seen saved. (This would apply to "at the time" too, God couldn't make for someone a soul that would be saved if that person was to be lost.)

    And another thing if there's a stockpile. In the US there's about 4 million births a year and 1 million abortions. Being put into someone going to be aborted gets you fast-tracked to heaven, in a few weeks, is that fair?

    So what I'm really asking those who believe this is how do the details work? It's nice to have a plan, but the plan has to come together.

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    I didn't mean that God was forced to create me, only that he probably would have, irrespective of how the world turned out. In the absence of sin I assume that there would eventually be more people than there are now so why wouldn't he have created me ?

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    I didn't mean that God was forced to create me, only that he probably would have, irrespective of how the world turned out. In the absence of sin I assume that there would eventually be more people than there are now so why wouldn't he have created me ?
    OK. meanwhile how do the details work? It's nice to have a plan, but the plan has to come together.

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    What plan ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    What plan ?
    Go back to the first post and ignore the last sentence. Or

    So what I'm really asking those who believe that God puts our spirit in us at conception is how do the details work?

    It's nice to have an idea but the idea has to be practical, it has to work, so how does it (or as I said based on an A-Team quote "It's nice to have a plan, but the plan has to come together")

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    Genesis tells us God breathed the breath of life into Adam. He told them to be fruitful and multiply.

    I don't see anything to indicate that there are spirits in Heaven waiting to be sent into bodies of babies. I have never given a moments thought to the matter.

    In some ways I see a connection to the topic of predetermination vs God's foreknowledge in these questions. Charismatics talk much about fulfilling one's destiny but that means there is a destination so to speak. If we each have a destiny, how much does that differ from election? I've heard it taught that if God puts someone in my path for a purpose and I fail to minister to them, then the person won't have the work done in them at all.

    I see that I've probably gone off track here. Sorry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by curly sue View Post
    I don't see anything to indicate that there are spirits in Heaven waiting to be sent into bodies of babies. I have never given a moments thought to the matter.
    And why would you, there's nothing in the Bible to suggest this.

    Quote Originally Posted by curly sue View Post
    If we each have a destiny, how much does that differ from election?
    Well election is about who is saved and destiny is about what you do after being saved. But then God does say He saved us for works that He prepared beforehand for us to do and that has implications.

    Quote Originally Posted by curly sue View Post
    I've heard it taught that if God puts someone in my path for a purpose and I fail to minister to them, then the person won't have the work done in them at all.
    As God is omniscient He knew you wouldn't minister to them before He put them in your path. Ignore the attempt to give you a guilt trip but at the same time learn to be more sensitive to what God wants you to do.

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    I see that I've probably gone off track here. Sorry.
    Na, the more tangents the more fun it can get.

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    Quote Originally Posted by curly sue View Post
    Genesis tells us God breathed the breath of life into Adam. He told them to be fruitful and multiply.

    I don't see anything to indicate that there are spirits in Heaven waiting to be sent into bodies of babies. I have never given a moments thought to the matter.

    In some ways I see a connection to the topic of predetermination vs God's foreknowledge in these questions. Charismatics talk much about fulfilling one's destiny but that means there is a destination so to speak. If we each have a destiny, how much does that differ from election? I've heard it taught that if God puts someone in my path for a purpose and I fail to minister to them, then the person won't have the work done in them at all.

    I see that I've probably gone off track here. Sorry.
    Noone here is advocating pre-existing human spirits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FunFromOz View Post
    Go back to the first post and ignore the last sentence. Or

    So what I'm really asking those who believe that God puts our spirit in us at conception is how do the details work?

    It's nice to have an idea but the idea has to be practical, it has to work, so how does it (or as I said based on an A-Team quote "It's nice to have a plan, but the plan has to come together")
    God sees egg being fertilized, creates and adheres a human spirit to it, it becomes a living soul.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    God sees egg being fertilized, creates and adheres a human spirit to it, it becomes a living soul.
    I could see this happening.

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