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Originally Posted by
Colonel
God sees egg being fertilized, creates and adheres a human spirit to it, it becomes a living soul.
As I mentioned elsewhere (though I added a bit here):
So God who's seated in heaven and maybe meant to be resting but is certainly absorbing all the worship being offered to Him; and is listening to all the prayers of the saints and responding according to His will; and drawing people to Jesus; and giving people understanding as they read the Bible; and regenerating all those being saved; and welcoming all the saints as they die; (and probably lots of other things) is also actively keeping track of 8,000,000,000 people noteing the 1,000,000 or so acts of sexual intercourse going on at any one time1 (consensual or not) to catch the four a second that result in conception to instantly create a spirit and add it to the mix (oh and these days He has to keep an eye on IVF clinics as well). Busy boy!
That's what you're saying, yes?
1Rough guess at this number.
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Originally Posted by
Colonel
God sees egg being fertilized, creates and adheres a human spirit to it, it becomes a living soul.
Well why is God creating them all evil? All sin eventually, why does God create them this way? And why does He create really evil ones like mass murderers or dictators like Pol-Pot?
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Originally Posted by
FunFromOz
Well why is God creating them all evil? All sin eventually, why does God create them this way? And why does He create really evil ones like mass murderers or dictators like Pol-Pot?
I believe God creates a human spirit that is innocent like Adam was. It does not have the Holy Spirit, one has to ask to receive the Holy Spirit. I do however believe that we inherit the sinful nature found in our bodies from Adam and that this eventually overcomes us, as described quite clearly in Romans 7:9-11.
I don't think God speculates about creating or not creating human spirits, it simply amounts to an ongoing institution, just like his allowing us to exist at all amounts to an ongoing institution. Including allowing Pol Pot to continue to exist until he died a natural death.
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Originally Posted by
FunFromOz
As I mentioned elsewhere (though I added a bit here):
So God who's seated in heaven and maybe meant to be resting but is certainly absorbing all the worship being offered to Him; and is listening to all the prayers of the saints and responding according to His will; and drawing people to Jesus; and giving people understanding as they read the Bible; and regenerating all those being saved; and welcoming all the saints as they die; (and probably lots of other things) is also actively keeping track of 8,000,000,000 people noteing the 1,000,000 or so acts of sexual intercourse going on at any one time
1 (consensual or not) to catch the four a second that result in conception to instantly create a spirit and add it to the mix (oh and these days He has to keep an eye on IVF clinics as well). Busy boy!
That's what you're saying, yes?
1Rough guess at this number.
I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with how spirits are created, but what you posted above as an argument against what Colonel is saying almost sounds like a 'too much for God to do' argument. And from a Calvinist? You might be slipping there Oz.
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Originally Posted by
Colonel
God sees egg being fertilized, creates and adheres a human spirit to it, it becomes a living soul.
Originally Posted by
curly sue
I could see this happening.
Cessationists and people who don't really believe tend to be more comfortable with the version where God isn't actively involved in the creation of each human being. I think the reason why is that they will believe that God did something thousands of years ago and that he will again in the future but not right now, not in any form. Seeing one's life as happening within what effectively amounts to a "God vacuum" is very much in line with the spirit of this world. Believing something about the past and the future may amount to merely being slightly religious or even just philosophical about things.
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Originally Posted by
Colonel
Cessationists and people who don't really believe tend to be more comfortable with the version where God isn't actively involved in the creation of each human being. I think the reason why is that they will believe that God did something thousands of years ago and that he will again in the future but not right now, not in any form. Seeing one's life as happening within what effectively amounts to a "God vacuum" is very much in line with the spirit of this world. Believing something about the past and the future may amount to merely being slightly religious or even just philosophical about things.
I'm not sure I agree with what you say about spirits being created like that. My jury is still out though. I can see it being a product of intercourse according to 'the law of Genesis' where everything is created after it's own kind. But at the same time born again people don't have babies that are Christians and sinners don't have babies that are spiritually dead. God being God can design it to work however he wants, so however He did it he decreed that in the process the spirit that is created is innocent.
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Originally Posted by
fuego
I'm not sure I agree with what you say about spirits being created like that. My jury is still out though. I can see it being a product of intercourse according to 'the law of Genesis' where everything is created after it's own kind. But at the same time born again people don't have babies that are Christians and sinners don't have babies that are spiritually dead. God being God can design it to work however he wants, so however He did it he decreed that in the process the spirit that is created is innocent.
That may be a more important issue than who created it, yes. I'm still waiting for someone to post a verse that actually says that someone's spirit or soul was begat by a man (or similar).
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this is an interesting read.. I've never spent a lot of time contemplating how this works.
I've always just thought it was a package deal.. We know we're created by Him, and He knows us from the womb, so I think it all happens simultaneously.
there you go.. The Gospel of Trudie
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Originally Posted by
fuego
I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with how spirits are created, but what you posted above as an argument against what Colonel is saying almost sounds like a 'too much for God to do' argument. And from a Calvinist? You might be slipping there Oz.
I like numbers so I think them. Others don't. So someone who comes up with this idea could be thinking of God being involved just in their 2.4 kids when in "reality" he'd be sticky-beaking every time they had sex and would have to do that to say 1,000,000 couples in parallel 24*7*365.25.
Is God that interested in our sex lives.
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Originally Posted by
Colonel
That may be a more important issue than who created it, yes. I'm still waiting for someone to post a verse that actually says that someone's spirit or soul was begat by a man (or similar).
Colonel you've had an idea and found words in the Bible that you have interpreted to support you holding onto that idea.
God told Adam and Eve (who were spirit, soul and body) to "Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth" (Gen 1:28). There's nothing there, or elsewhere, to suggest that they could only do part of that job needing God to be involved as well. The onus is on you not us.
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