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    Why hasn't Jesus come back?

    Reading Rev 6 yesterday morning and VV 9-11 say:

    I saw underneath the altar the souls of those who had been slain because of the word of God, and because of the testimony which they had maintained; and they cried out with a loud voice, saying, "How long, O Lord, holy and true, will You refrain from judging and avenging our blood on those who dwell on the earth?" And there was given to each of them a white robe; and they were told that they should rest for a little while longer, until the number of their fellow servants and their brethren who were to be killed even as they had been, would be completed also.

    So they're told that there were more people to be martyrs yet and they had to wait.

    The immediate questions on that is why? Especially for those whose first response is "God is looooove!", why wait? If they're Christians they'll be coming to heaven anyway, so why wait till they have to die suffering? Where's the "looooove" in that?

    And following on from that, Why Hasn't Jesus Returned? Point in question: my brother was born late 1948 and currently has a terminal disease. He claims to not believe in God so based on that we should expect that he is hell bound.

    His own choise most would say, but he only has that choise because he exists and he only exists because Jesus chose not to come back in 1947. His existance is God's choise, not his.

    Until Jesus comes back more and more people will be born and go to hell. Presuming a 50% salvation rate (it's probably closer to less than 12%) at the moment every second two people are born who will go to hell. Do you get that? Jesus is sitting cosy in heaven knowing that every second He delays coming back that (at least) two more people will be born who God will cast into hell for eternity. And the numbers have been racking up for nearly 2000 years.

    How does that sit with you, especially if one of your main "things" is "God is looooove!"?

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    My first reaction was...

    Read your Bible man!

    (But then I remembered...)


    Anyway, here you go...



    Hebrews 10:12-13
    (12) But this man, after He had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
    (13) From henceforth expecting till His enemies be made His footstool.

    Acts 1:6 (AMP)
    He said to them, It is not for you to become acquainted with and know what time brings [the things and events of time and their definite periods] or fixed years and seasons (their critical niche in time), which the Father has appointed (fixed and reserved) by His own choice and authority and personal power.

    ***


    James 5:7-8
    (7) Be patient therefore, brethren, unto the coming of the Lord. Behold, the husbandman waiteth for the precious fruit of the earth, and hath long patience for it, until He receive the early and latter rain.
    (8) Be ye also patient; stablish your hearts: for the coming of the Lord draweth nigh.


    II Peter 3:1-18
    (1) This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you; in both which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance:
    (2) That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour:
    (3) Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
    (4) And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
    (5) For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the Word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
    (6) Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
    (7) But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same Word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
    (8) But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
    (9) The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
    (10) But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
    (11) Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
    (12) Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
    (13) Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
    (14) Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.
    (15) And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
    (16) As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
    (17) Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.
    (18) But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To Him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.


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    This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth walk not as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity (futility) of their mind, having the understanding darkened...
    (Ephesians 4:17-18)

    Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly...
    (Psalm 1)

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    Quote Originally Posted by GodismyJudge View Post
    Anyway, here you go...
    Thank you GodismyJudge but I'm not sure that that addressed the question.

    Between when I posted and when you replied over 4000 people were born who will one day go to hell for eternity. That is only happening because Jesus has chosen not to return yet (I know He'll come back when He's ready, at the appointed time), so my question is about how people here feel about all these human beings going to hell for eternity because of the choise that Jesus has make.
    Last edited by FunFromOz; 09-04-2016 at 09:55 PM. Reason: 1000 people corrected to 4000 people at birhtrate of 4 people per second.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FunFromOz View Post
    Thank you GodismyJudge but I'm not sure that that addressed the question.

    Between when I posted and when you replied over 1000 people were born who will one day go to hell for eternity. That is only happening because Jesus has chosen not to return yet (I know He'll come back when He's ready, at the appointed time), so my question is about how people here feel about all these human beings going to hell for eternity because of the choise that Jesus has make.
    A. It's not up to Jesus as to when He returns.

    B. The longsuffering of the Lord is Salvation.
    This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth walk not as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity (futility) of their mind, having the understanding darkened...
    (Ephesians 4:17-18)

    Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly...
    (Psalm 1)

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    Quote Originally Posted by GodismyJudge View Post
    A. It's not up to Jesus as to when He returns.
    OK, a technicality there, the Father decides Jesus' return date, but the situation remains unchanged.

    Quote Originally Posted by GodismyJudge View Post
    B. The longsuffering of the Lord is Salvation.
    Which means?

    The AMP translates it as "And consider the patience of our Lord [His delay in judging and avenging wrongs] as salvation [that is, allowing time for more to be saved]; just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given to him [by God]" but it also means that a lot more than will be saved will be lost.

    Every second we wait may be salvation for some, but for a greater number, at least two people per second are born destined for an eternity in hell.

    Between our last two posts around 1500 people were born destined for hell and there is a stopping point for births based on when Jesus returns. No more births no more extra people going to hell. But Jesus hasn't come back yet so more and more go to hell.

    How do you (and others here) feel about that?

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    Jesus can't return until every possible discussion is debated on christian forums

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal TT View Post
    Jesus can't return until every possible discussion is debated on christian forums
    True, so we'd better get some more topics up because until we do people are going to hell because we didn't do our bit.

    But you've ignored the original question. How do you feel about the delay in Jesus coming back which has the result of more and more people coming into existance and going to hell, something that God could prevent / have prevented?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FunFromOz View Post
    True, so we'd better get some more topics up because until we do people are going to hell because we didn't do our bit.

    But you've ignored the original question. How do you feel about the delay in Jesus coming back which has the result of more and more people coming into existance and going to hell, something that God could prevent / have prevented?

    It doesn't mean anything to me.....we have to be faithful and obey the Word and leave the rest to God

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    Quote Originally Posted by FunFromOz View Post
    OK, a technicality there, the Father decides Jesus' return date, but the situation remains unchanged.

    Which means?

    The AMP translates it as "And consider the patience of our Lord [His delay in judging and avenging wrongs] as salvation [that is, allowing time for more to be saved]; just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given to him [by God]" but it also means that a lot more than will be saved will be lost.

    Every second we wait may be salvation for some, but for a greater number, at least two people per second are born destined for an eternity in hell.

    Between our last two posts around 1500 people were born destined for hell and there is a stopping point for births based on when Jesus returns. No more births no more extra people going to hell. But Jesus hasn't come back yet so more and more go to hell.

    How do you (and others here) feel about that?
    Makes no difference "how I feel about it"



    Matthew 7:13-14
    (13) Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
    (14) Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.


    Luke 13:23-30
    (23) Then said one unto him, Lord, are there few that be saved? And He said unto them,
    (24) Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.
    (25) When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are:
    (26) Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets.
    (27) But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.
    (28) There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.
    (29) And they shall come from the east, and from the west, and from the north, and from the south, and shall sit down in the kingdom of God.
    (30) And, behold, there are last which shall be first, and there are first which shall be last.

    This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth walk not as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity (futility) of their mind, having the understanding darkened...
    (Ephesians 4:17-18)

    Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly...
    (Psalm 1)

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    Quote Originally Posted by FunFromOz View Post
    Until Jesus comes back more and more people will be born and go to hell. Presuming a 50% salvation rate (it's probably closer to less than 12%) at the moment every second two people are born who will go to hell...
    You made me think of Webers thread here:

    http://livingfaithforum.com/forum/sh...pulation-Clock

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