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    Videos on Pentecostalism from a history point of view

    (I was unaware these existed till it popped up on an unexpected link on FB. Well a 4 min part of the first one I've linked to actually.)

    Some of the problems in the USA today are a result of lots of people having no idea of the history of the USA. We need to acknowledge history; we need to learn from history; sometimes we need to get over history and move on. What we don't need to do is repeat history. But if you don't know it then odds are you will.

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    Pentecostalism by W. Robert Godfrey | August 1, 2020

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    Pentecostalism by W. Robert Godfrey | August 2, 2020

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    Aimee Semple McPherson by W. Robert Godfrey | July 25, 2020

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    Aimee Semple McPherson by W. Robert Godfrey | July 26, 2020

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    Quote Originally Posted by FunFromOz View Post
    (I was unaware these existed till it popped up on an unexpected link on FB. Well a 4 min part of the first one I've linked to actually.)

    Some of the problems in the USA today are a result of lots of people having no idea of the history of the USA. We need to acknowledge history; we need to learn from history; sometimes we need to get over history and move on. What we don't need to do is repeat history. But if you don't know it then odds are you will.

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    Pentecostalism by W. Robert Godfrey | August 1, 2020

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    Pentecostalism by W. Robert Godfrey | August 2, 2020

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    Aimee Semple McPherson by W. Robert Godfrey | July 25, 2020

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    Aimee Semple McPherson by W. Robert Godfrey | July 26, 2020
    The first video is full of errors. So are the rest of them. If you don't believe in the Pentecostal experience today that's fine with me. But you will not get any converts here for sure. Aimee Semple was a human being who had shortcomings and weaknesses. To base your whole case against the move of God on one persons failures is weak and paltry. I could list dozens of Reformed leaders who have failed God's standards. Does that mean you will throw out all Reformed theology you believe because of that ? You make very weak arguments against the continuation of Spiritual Gifts.

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    Pentecostalism cannot be properly and accurately understood and interpreted properly by a non-pentecostal. It can only be understood from a biblical perspective.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikos View Post
    Pentecostalism cannot be properly and accurately understood and interpreted properly by a non-pentecostal. It can only be understood from a biblical perspective.
    Do you know of a book Nikos that gives a complete Biblical exegesis of the Scriptures relating to the BHS and the gifts?

    I just bought "The Baptism With the Holy Spirit" by R. A. Torrey as it was only $0.99 and I'll see how that goes, but recommendations would be appreciated. (Any books I had on the subject were passed along 45+ years ago).

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    Quote Originally Posted by LionHeart View Post
    The first video is full of errors. So are the rest of them. If you don't believe in the Pentecostal experience today that's fine with me. But you will not get any converts here for sure. Aimee Semple was a human being who had shortcomings and weaknesses. To base your whole case against the move of God on one persons failures is weak and paltry. I could list dozens of Reformed leaders who have failed God's standards. Does that mean you will throw out all Reformed theology you believe because of that ? You make very weak arguments against the continuation of Spiritual Gifts.
    It was never meant to convert, just to make people aware (if they weren't already) that there is a history behind things and things may not have always been as they seem now.

    I was saved out of a traditional non-Church. A Charismatic church in the early 70s, and I thought "so this is what Christianity is really like". Then on my honeymoon we popped into a Baptist Church. No it was not like that everywhere.

    Unfortunately I've had no teaching on any Church history from my church so when I was given access to history series containing those videos I started to watch them. I'm just over 1/2 way through.

    As for anyone being a human being who had shortcomings and weaknesses, that's an interesting one, because I think, sometimes, it will depend what they are. And when they develop I guess, David and Solomon would be examples of that. Matching the Biblical requirement for leadership is probably the only compulsory IMO. Sadly some churches can be rather "lite 'n easy" on that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FunFromOz View Post
    Do you know of a book Nikos that gives a complete Biblical exegesis of the Scriptures relating to the BHS and the gifts?

    I just bought "The Baptism With the Holy Spirit" by R. A. Torrey as it was only $0.99 and I'll see how that goes, but recommendations would be appreciated. (Any books I had on the subject were passed along 45+ years ago).
    Sorry, but I have sold my library and don't buy any books at all. I also, due to my age, am not buying any more books. I just study straight from the Bible. However, although I love to read books, I would refer you to TT, Firebrand or Fuego, who are ministers, or any other pentecostals here to give you a reference. I am sure there are many good study books available.

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    I just bought "The Baptism With the Holy Spirit" by R. A. Torrey as it was only $0.99 and I'll see how that goes, but recommendations would be appreciated. (Any books I had on the subject were passed along 45+ years ago).
    Torrey is excellent.

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    Jack Deere's "Surprised By The Power Of The Holy Spirit", a good eye witness account and how he (Dallas Theological Seminary Professor) came into the experience. One whom gives witness to an encounter is one that will never be at the mercy of one with an argument. I have long given the book away but recall the fresh perspective of the writing from a former cessationist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FireBrand View Post
    Jack Deere's "Surprised By The Power Of The Holy Spirit", a good eye witness account and how he (Dallas Theological Seminary Professor) came into the experience. One whom gives witness to an encounter is one that will never be at the mercy of one with an argument. I have long given the book away but recall the fresh perspective of the writing from a former cessationist.
    I've got that somewhere. Was many years ago when I read it.

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    One whom gives witness to an encounter is one that will never be at the mercy of one with an argument.
    Disagree (to some extent).

    One of the reasons for the reformation was that the RCC held that it's (ever changing) traditions had as much authority as Scripture. One of the problems non-Charismatics have today is with people saying that their experience has as much authority as Scripture, especially when they can't provide sound scriptural support for the experience, or worse, an exegesis of scripture would seem to disagree with them.

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