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    Romans 9: Rejecting Calvinistic Predestination (Part 1)

    Romans 9: Rejecting Calvinistic Predestination (Part 1)



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    Romans is an interesting book, having been described as a masterpiece of gospel doctrine, written to teach the great truths of grace to the Roman believers who had never received apostolic instruction. Naturally the teaching in each each section, each chapter, builds on what has been taught previously in the letter.

    It is divisible into three sections

    • Doctrinal – Chapters 1 – 8,
    • National – Chapters 9 – 11, and
    • Practical – Chapters 12 – 16.


    The Doctrinal section can be divided into teachings on

    • Condemnation – Ch 1 – 3a
    • Justification – Ch 3b – 5, and
    • Sanctification – Ch 6 – 8.


    The National section looks at the nation of Israel and vindicates God's treatment of the nation that He chose but who rejected Him. It can be divided into

    • Looking at Israel's past to show that God is not unfaithful to the nation – Ch 9
    • Looking at Israel's present, where are they now. – Ch 10
    • Looking at God's future plans for Israel – Ch 11



    Further breakdown is possible.

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    A common Calvinist objection is that if man has to choose to believe then God is a "respector of persons". That isn't what that expression means. God is a respector of faith, irrespective of who is expressing that faith. The Bible also says that God doesn't show favoritism, depending on the translation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    A common Calvinist objection is that if man has to choose to believe then God is a "respector of persons". That isn't what that expression means. God is a respector of faith, irrespective of who is expressing that faith. The Bible also says that God doesn't show favoritism, depending on the translation.
    Yet those same Calvinists claim that it is God who gives to the "preselected" individual a "gift" of faith, showing the complete contradiction with their system.
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    Quote Originally Posted by victoryword View Post
    Yet those same Calvinists claim that it is God who gives to the "preselected" individual a "gift" of faith, showing the complete contradiction with their system.
    Yes, he respects their persons irrespective of what they would do if not forced. Or he wouldn't choose one and not the other, it's all about specific individuals.

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    Not sure Mr. Bledsoe is a reliable defender of the Word. From Wikipedia:

    Albert Taylor Bledsoe (November 9, 1809 – December 8, 1877) was an American Episcopal priest, attorney, professor of mathematics, and officer in the Confederate army and was best known as a staunch defender of slavery and, after the South lost the American Civil War, an architect of the Lost Cause.[1] He was the author of Liberty and Slavery (1856), "the most extensive philosophical treatment of slavery ever produced by a Southern academic", which defended slavery laws as ensuring proper societal order.[2]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bookman View Post
    Not sure Mr. Bledsoe is a reliable defender of the Word. From Wikipedia:

    Albert Taylor Bledsoe (November 9, 1809 – December 8, 1877) was an American Episcopal priest, attorney, professor of mathematics, and officer in the Confederate army and was best known as a staunch defender of slavery and, after the South lost the American Civil War, an architect of the Lost Cause.[1] He was the author of Liberty and Slavery (1856), "the most extensive philosophical treatment of slavery ever produced by a Southern academic", which defended slavery laws as ensuring proper societal order.[2]
    Victoryword likes to quote obscure theologians from the 19th century.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bookman View Post
    Not sure Mr. Bledsoe is a reliable defender of the Word. From Wikipedia:

    Albert Taylor Bledsoe (November 9, 1809 – December 8, 1877) was an American Episcopal priest, attorney, professor of mathematics, and officer in the Confederate army and was best known as a staunch defender of slavery and, after the South lost the American Civil War, an architect of the Lost Cause.[1] He was the author of Liberty and Slavery (1856), "the most extensive philosophical treatment of slavery ever produced by a Southern academic", which defended slavery laws as ensuring proper societal order.[2]
    I should do a better job of checking into people's background before quoting them. Appreciate the information. However, he is still correct on this point.
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