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    Quote Originally Posted by FunFromOz View Post
    Would you take issue with me saying that I believe that the pope and most catholics are damned?
    That's irrelevant to the question asked

    So still waiting......

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    That's irrelevant to the question asked
    And your questions weren't?

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    FFO

    Conveniently deflecting - Can you answer the question

    Do you have a issue with JM standing as God declaring eternal damnation to minsters who profess faith when he doesn't know the state of people's hearts
    No one really knows anyone's heart TT.

    There always was, still are, and always will be false teachers TT and we are told to protect the Church from them and we are told that a person's fruit say a lot about them. We have to compare what they do to Scripture TT, and from the quotes you've posted J Mac seems to be commenting on people who claim to be Christian but are just after money (and remember that maybe 60% of people who think they're "Christian" (and sadly a lot of the other 40% think they are to) aren't).

    But if you can show me where J Mac "stands as God" and "declares damnation" to ministers who not only profess faith but their life demonstrates it, living up to the Scriptural requirements of Scripture, then I might be able to comment.

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    JM in my previous quotes made it clear they were not Christians and were thieves....basically judging them of eternal damnation.

    He refers to pente/charismatics on TV he was watching

    Firstly he doesn't know their hearts if they are truly saved or not.
    Secondly he doesn't know if they are thieves ...does he have proof

    He can disagree with their methods and say other concerning things he sees but to call them non Christians and thieves he puts himself in Gods place

    That you give him leeway in this is concerning

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    Most people are left with a fortune that is at most a few percent of what John MacArthur has, when they are 80. So how do we know that John MacArthur hasn't managed to merchandize heresy hunting to where he has created a (by most standards) vast fortune basically by bullying others that are actually trying to do something good ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal TT View Post
    JM in my previous quotes made it clear they were not Christians and were thieves....basically judging them of eternal damnation.

    He refers to pente/charismatics on TV he was watching

    Firstly he doesn't know their hearts if they are truly saved or not.
    Secondly he doesn't know if they are thieves ...does he have proof

    He can disagree with their methods and say other concerning things he sees but to call them non Christians and thieves he puts himself in Gods place

    That you give him leeway in this is concerning
    I haven't given leeway yet as I've not enough information to make a decision on.

    You yourself say "Secondly he doesn't know if they are thieves ...does he have proof". If you have to ask "does he have proof" it means you don't know; therefore the statement "he doesn't know if they are thieves" (although possibly true) is not valid for you to make at this time.

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    You display double standards in protecting JM
    If you want respect be honest isn't that what your sovereign God wants... you spin and believe anything about non Calvinists but now you want proof about JM

    Everyone can see your obsufications about JM

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    Oh no, it's J Mac.

    Did you know that J Mac's net worth is about $14,000,000 ?
    Right, I pointed that out to a pastor who had a list of the 10 richest pastors (most/all Charismatics) and Jmac was missing (who was in the top five as I recall). Interesting how people do selective criticism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonathan david View Post
    Right, I pointed that out to a pastor who had a list of the 10 richest pastors (most/all Charismatics) and Jmac was missing (who was in the top five as I recall). Interesting how people do selective criticism.
    There's an implicit character assessment involved in that, an assessment based on doctrine and personal opinion alone rather than on any real knowledge of the individuals involved. Rich JMac great, rich charismatics bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    Oh no, it's J Mac.

    Did you know that J Mac's net worth is about $14,000,000 ?
    Quote Originally Posted by Jonathan david View Post
    Right, I pointed that out to a pastor who had a list of the 10 richest pastors (most/all Charismatics) and Jmac was missing (who was in the top five as I recall). Interesting how people do selective criticism.
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    There's an implicit character assessment involved in that, an assessment based on doctrine and personal opinion alone rather than on any real knowledge of the individuals involved. Rich JMac great, rich charismatics bad.
    From The 10 Richest Pastors in the World we have the following:

    Here are the ten richest pastors in the world to show how lucrative spreading the gospel can be.

    10. Pastor Enoch Adejare Adeboye – $39 Million
    09. Joel Osteen – $40 Million
    08. Benny Hinn – $42 Million
    07. Chris Oyakhilome – $50 Million
    06. Uebert Angel – $60 Million
    05. Pat Robertson – $100 Million
    04. Emmanuel Makandiwa – $100 Million
    03. Ayo Oritsejafor – $120 Million
    02. Thomas Dexter Jakes – Net Worth $150 Million
    01. Kenneth Copeland – Net Worth $760 Million

    OK, the page is from a year ago, and it's from the web so who knows how accurate it is, though Jonathan where did your pastor get his list? Anyway if you can fit J Mac in that list, particularly in the top five, you probably were brought up on the "New Math".

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    Quote Originally Posted by FunFromOz View Post
    From The 10 Richest Pastors in the World we have the following:

    Here are the ten richest pastors in the world to show how lucrative spreading the gospel can be.

    10. Pastor Enoch Adejare Adeboye – $39 Million
    09. Joel Osteen – $40 Million
    08. Benny Hinn – $42 Million
    07. Chris Oyakhilome – $50 Million
    06. Uebert Angel – $60 Million
    05. Pat Robertson – $100 Million
    04. Emmanuel Makandiwa – $100 Million
    03. Ayo Oritsejafor – $120 Million
    02. Thomas Dexter Jakes – Net Worth $150 Million
    01. Kenneth Copeland – Net Worth $760 Million

    OK, the page is from a year ago, and it's from the web so who knows how accurate it is, though Jonathan where did your pastor get his list? Anyway if you can fit J Mac in that list, particularly in the top five, you probably were brought up on the "New Math".

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    The number one figure is bogus, I don't really doubt the rest. It's more an expression of how easy it is for the few to amass wealth in some areas of the world including the United States. According to fundamental statistics it's gotten more and more like that during the last 50 years. In the church world some pastors make $20k, some $40k, some $1M.

    A fortune of $14,000,000 is an enormous amount of money even if there are people who are worth far more than that. At that level I would really like to know what exactly the person did that earned him that kind of money.

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