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    John MacArthur pontificates even more and sits in God's judgment seat as if he is omniscient knowing all these ministers

    He says they are not Christians but thieves, basically he condemns them to hell - Who made MacArthur God????



    JOHN
    : Yeah. I don't think these people are Christians. I think they're false Christians who have found a way to become rich, ...

    JOHN: Thieves, that's what they are. They steal money.

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    FFO

    Are you not afraid to elevate and promote MacArthur knowing he is acting as God pronouncing eternal damnation on people he doesn't agree with???

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    So you don't have a issue with their massive wealth
    Quote Originally Posted by FunFromOz View Post
    You could get a job in the media.


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    Typical deflection but doesn't surprise me

    So you basically give a pass to reformed preachers
    As I said TT, you could get a job with the media, as I've said and indicated nothing of the sort.



    There is nothing wrong with acquiring wealth, as God says "A good man leaves an inheritance to his children's children". Also Paul tells us that "the Lord directed those who proclaim the gospel to get their living from the gospel" so we should not deny Bible preachers, teachers etc. their due.

    John MacArthur is 80. He is a Bible teacher. He is worth $X. However apparently someone who kicks a ball around a field earned 9 times that amount last year alone. (The World's Highest-Paid Athletes 2019)

    Some suggest that King Solomon's peak net worth was $2 trillion.

    Where do we go from here? I don't know, but we have to be careful we don't allow envy and the love of money which is the root of all evil to cloud our judgement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal TT View Post
    Typical deflection but doesn't surprise me

    So you basically give a pass to reformed preachers
    Of course.

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    Of course.
    Where have I done that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal TT View Post
    ... but who is judging (John MacArthur) over his wealth
    I thought the Bible said "Judge not" TT <</sarcasm>>

    Actually it also says "Judge not lest we be judged", but then again that's not the end of it either.

    John MacArthur has been getting income for over 50 years. His current income comes from his involvement in Grace Church, The Masters University, The Masters Seminary, royalties, speaking engagements (of which he may not get 100%) and perhaps more.

    The following is from the gty web site:

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    ...FFO

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    FFO

    You have conveniently refused to comment on MacArthur acting as 'God' to declare eternal damnation on ministers he disagrees with

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    FFO

    You have conveniently refused to comment on MacArthur acting as 'God' to declare eternal damnation on ministers he disagrees with
    Nope.

    The statement about J Mac's wealth was off topic (and that's not always a problem).

    But that led to the questions "Do you accept the wealth of charismatic ministers?" and "So you don't have a issue with (charismatic ministers) massive wealth" which were not took things further off topic, but there was no basis to ask them.

    Then somehow those questions become "
    So you basically give a pass to reformed preachers" (is that bait and switch?)

    And then in J Mac's pointing out that Paul tells Timothy that false teachers are in it for the money, somehow he's judging all charismatic ministers who are "wealthy". Which btw is different to "
    declar(ing) eternal damnation on ministers he disagrees with".

    But what is wealthy. The internet suggests J Mac is worth as little as 2% of what Kenneth Copeland's wealth could be (and we all trust the internet). I'm retired but last month my income was about 26M in one currency. Am I wealthy?

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    Conveniently deflecting - Can you answer the question

    Do you have a issue with JM standing as God declaring eternal damnation to minsters who profess faith when he doesn't know the state of people's hearts

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal TT View Post
    FFO

    Conveniently deflecting - Can you answer the question

    Do you have a issue with JM standing as God declaring eternal damnation to minsters who profess faith when he doesn't know the state of people's hearts
    Would you take issue with me saying that I believe that the pope and most catholics are damned?

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