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    Paul's Thorn in the Flesh

    Paul's Thorn in the Flesh (Part 1)



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    In this series of lessons we will destroy the satanic lies about Paul's flesh that have been taught in the church and have kept people in bondage to sickness and defeat.
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    This needs to be taught in the Church. It’s unbelievable how many Christians take scripture out of context when it comes to healing. Good job Troy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valiant Woman View Post
    This needs to be taught in the Church. It’s unbelievable how many Christians take scripture out of context when it comes to healing. Good job Troy.
    Thank you mam. I am encouraged. I am often surprised that, as often as the truth concerning the thorn has been taught by others that people still believe that it was something sent to Paul directly by God. I suppose that one cannot never stop teaching the truth regardless of how repetitive it may sound to those of us who have heard it multiple times.
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    Paul's Thorn in the Flesh (Part 2)



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    Question...this has been rolling over in me....Jesus healed everyone who asked but He often did it in an indirect manner...in other words He sometimes dealt with a flawed belief...sometimes it was just direct..be healed, but at others it was not.

    So it occurs to me that we are seeing so few healings because their are obstacls in the way not being identified through the revelation of the Spirit. We go at healing always from a head on perspective, yet Jesus did not.

    So when someone needs healing we must be sensitive to obstacles...and they must be willing to face those obstacles be they sin that needs repentance, or a flawed understanding of our covenant...ect.

    What do you think about this head on command strategy and does it REALLY fit the pattern of Jesus' ministry?

    PS..I am now listening to your video teaching..you may address this in the video...# 6 lie may actually answer this..

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    Good question. I recall brother Hagin saying that those of us who have been saved for a long time, God expects us to use our faith for healing.

    He related the hardest people he's ministered healing to and get them healed were Spirit-filled believers who have been saved a while and should know the word.

    One thing I've learned about myself and that is the "strong" faith I thought I had for healing, I didn't have. Yes for minor infirmities I didn't have a difficult time, but I was definitely challenged when I was attacked with a more serious affliction. I now know that meditation on the healing scriptures should be a part of every day devotions...I think we sometimes forget that when we're not sick.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valiant Woman View Post
    One thing I’ve learned about myself and that is the “strong” faith I thought I had for healing, I didn’t have. Yes for minor infirmities I didn’t have a difficult time, but I was definitely challenged when I was attacked with a more serious affliction. I now know that meditation on the healing scriptures should be a part of every day devotions...I think we sometimes forget that when we’re not sick.
    I think most Christians think that we're in faith just because we mentally agree with a particular doctrine (mental assent), but nothing could be further from the truth. The devils 'believe' and tremble. So I think it comes as somewhat of a shock when we 'believe God' but don't get healed or whatever else it is we are believing for. It's caused many to stumble because they don't really understand faith in a practical functional way. We think we do, but when the rubber meets the road, many times we find out we don't. And as you said, making mediations in these truths a regular thing would go far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuego View Post
    I think most Christians think that we're in faith just because we mentally agree with a particular doctrine (mental assent), but nothing could be further from the truth. The devils 'believe' and tremble. So I think it comes as somewhat of a shock when we 'believe God' but don't get healed or whatever else it is we are believing for. It's caused many to stumble because they don't really understand faith in a practical functional way. We think we do, but when the rubber meets the road, many times we find out we don't. And as you said, making mediations in these truths a regular thing would go far.
    I saw a video where some street evangelists talked about the most difficult place they had ever evangelized. It was an area where people would shut out the message instantly. Later they found out that some Christians had been evangelizing the area for years by presenting law then trying to condemn people into following Jesus. They found the leader and asked if their approach had brought about any converts and he said that they had had one in thirty years or something.

    I'm thinking that a lot of dry presentation of faith and healing doctrines may bring about the same effect, that people learn to have mental assent to the doctrine but there is no revelation and very little actual faith. And what is worse, unlearning the "mental assent only" pattern may be difficult once it has established itself. Maybe the mentioned "evangelists" that ruined the neighborhood originated from a revival movement decades or centuries ago that actually worked back then because they had more than dry doctrines. I've been talking to some Pentecostals here in Norway lately that seem very much like that, they know what things ought to look like but they are nothing like that themselves, rather they have become experts at condemnation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuego View Post
    I think most Christians think that we're in faith just because we mentally agree with a particular doctrine (mental assent), but nothing could be further from the truth. The devils 'believe' and tremble. So I think it comes as somewhat of a shock when we 'believe God' but don't get healed or whatever else it is we are believing for. It's caused many to stumble because they don't really understand faith in a practical functional way. We think we do, but when the rubber meets the road, many times we find out we don't. And as you said, making mediations in these truths a regular thing would go far.
    I agree. I’ve had attacks or symptoms that have come on me and I was able to nip them in the bud almost immediately. Only a few that were not so minor that I’ve been able to use my faith and receive healing.

    But the last two involved physical pain and exhaustion. That was a very hard challenge and I learned that I wasn’t where I thought I was as it concerns my faith to get quick relief from it. Also didn’t do myself any favors by not following stricter dietary laws.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quest View Post
    Question...this has been rolling over in me....Jesus healed everyone who asked but He often did it in an indirect manner...in other words He sometimes dealt with a flawed belief...sometimes it was just direct..be healed, but at others it was not.

    So it occurs to me that we are seeing so few healings because their are obstacls in the way not being identified through the revelation of the Spirit. We go at healing always from a head on perspective, yet Jesus did not.

    So when someone needs healing we must be sensitive to obstacles...and they must be willing to face those obstacles be they sin that needs repentance, or a flawed understanding of our covenant...ect.

    What do you think about this head on command strategy and does it REALLY fit the pattern of Jesus' ministry?

    PS..I am now listening to your video teaching..you may address this in the video...# 6 lie may actually answer this..
    As far as many is concerned and why we see few healings - one reason may be our failure to do what Jesus did which was to only do what we see our Father doing. We automatically follow formulas and while they may be Biblical (lay hands, anoint with oil, pray, rebuke sickness), there were times when the Father led Jesus to do other things like make spitty mud pies, send lepers to the priest, and other things we might think weird or strange.

    We may be following formulas rather than spending time in intimate relationship with Father God (I am endeavoring to do more of that with Him). We may also fail to fast more often. We westerners love our food. We also may be lacking the compassion that Jesus had. Jesus genuinely LOVED the people He healed. Sometimes we want God to heal through us so that we can have something to brag about. It is not always genuine compassion that wants to see people relieved of their suffering.

    Finally, I hear more of supernatural healings taking place outside of Europe and the USA. Perhaps there is a desperation in poorer countries than what you find in more materially prosperous nations. Poorer countries can't go to a minister and say, "pray for me" while secretly saying to themselves, "If this doesn't work my health insurance can cover the surgery I'll need and the medicine I can get." These people have no choice BUT to rely on God for a miracle. Even many of the poorest Americans can go to the free clinic and get some drugs and a shot in the butt.
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