Thread: Did God Kill Jesus?

Does anyone believe that he did ? According to scripture he was killed by lawless men but he also suffered the wrath of God at the same time.

Originally Posted by victoryword

Their are MANY people that believe that God (the Father) literally killed Jesus. They believe that God was angry with the human race and took all of His frustration out on Jesus. I don't even doubt that some here believe some version of it.

Your middle sentence doesn't imply that God killed him. Pouring his wrath on him didn't kill him, the physical crucifixion plus Jesus giving up the ghost did.

Originally Posted by victoryword

Their are MANY people that believe that God (the Father) literally killed Jesus. They believe that God was angry with the human race and took all of His frustration out on Jesus. I don't even doubt that some here believe some version of it.

When you use that sort of terminology then it does seem harsh and unscriptural and makes God out to be an angry rage filled deity.
Scripture interprets scripture and we have to take everything in balance and context.

John 3:16 says God loved......so we know he loved the human race.....he gave his son....why was it necessary to give his son?

Jesus had to die....there is no remission without shed blood
God did not literally kill Jesus but he gave him knowing he would be killed because Jesus had to die for man to be restored to God

God's wrath which is his Righteous and Just Anger was on the human race. It was not a petty human spiteful anger fueled by frustration

God in his holiness and righteousness was acting according to his perfect wisdom and love


The human race does not want to be guilty before God and will use all sorts of arguments to deny their sin and be accountable.
As believers we need to reveal the love of God but we cannot deny that punishment did come on Jesus for our behalf.

The Bible defines God as light, life, spirit and consuming fire as well as being love. The other attributes define what it means that God is love and it doesn't equal the love that the humanist wants him to be.

Originally Posted by victoryword

One reason I do not like to waste a lot of time debating this is because most people don't really study the whole Bible in relation to what it means for God to have wrath and anger and all they do is what you do TT - you seem to make it appear as if God has to take different "theological attributes" and intermingle them in order to explain your theological concepts.

First and foremost, God is NOT wrath nor is He anger. The defining characteristic of God is LOVE. God does NOT turn off His love in order to exercise wrath/anger. If my children are doing drugs, engaging in sexual immorality or any other dangerous behavior, of course I will become angry, but not because I have been slighted or offended by their behavior as is true with most humans. I will be angry because of what they are doing to hurt themselves and others. My anger is based on my LOVE, not my personally being offended at the violation of my holy standards.

God gets angry and has wrath but not in the way many of you would like to depict Him apart from the revelation of God as seen in Jesus Christ. Jesus Himself became angry but why? Because of what some were doing to others and to themselves. Note that Jesus still loved the sinner and His main purpose was to free them from sin.

The Father and Jesus are exactly alike. Scripture teaches this. The Father's anger is no different than Jesus'. The Father does NOT have a violent temper. In His "wrath" God grieves over the sins of man. Therefore, the redemptive work in Christ was not over God's anger with the human race but His love for it.

Originally Posted by victoryword

The Bible is different in that it places love as the motive for all that God does.

Where does it say that ?

Originally Posted by victoryword

I have found that most people place God's wrath and anger at sin as the forefront of their theology because they themselves are wrathful and angry and inflect this idea on God. Perhaps, it may be due to the fact that they wish that they could engage in those same sins but know that they cannot, so they express this anger towards those who feel free to sin. This may be the reason that God's "holiness and wrath/anger" gets the most attention in their theology while love, though getting some mention, often takes a back seat to the rest. The Bible is different in that it places love as the motive for all that God does.

Thats a very unusual comment but if you believe it's relevant in your area then I assume you know the motive of why people preach about wrath etc.

I know you have debated many Calvinists and others who have a pre occupation with God's wrath but down here Calvinism is very minimal and does not have the same influence as it does in America.

I can only comment on what I see and Gods wrath is hardly ever preached in churches down here and that includes myself in my sermons. I keep a record of my messages and wrath, anger, judgement are not a priority.

In fact I just preached my latest message at church ... 3 hours ago ....and it was on Gods power to heal, deliver and set free.
One lady said her headache disappeared during my message and testified publically.
We prayed for people after the sermon to experience more of his power.
No one went home feeling unloved but uplifted and encouraged that Gods power was available for them.

In regard to many of my latest comments they have been far more serious because I am addressing what I believe is a error about the Shack and the feel good message of false love. Universalism is based on Gods love yet it is deception.

The latest deceptions revolve around a God of love who doesn't have any holiness in his nature.
In fact there are some Christians who basically live like the devil and enter heaven which is a great concern.

I may give the impression that my focus is on God's wrath but this is only because I have chosen to address the topics that make God insipid.