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    Jesus came to reveal the Father and did everything he saw the Father do. Which includes the following :

    John 2:13*Now the Passover of the Jews was at hand, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem.14*And He found in the temple those who sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the money changers doing business.*15*When He had made a whip of cords, He drove them all out of the temple, with the sheep and the oxen, and poured out the changers’ money and overturned the tables.*16*And He said to those who sold doves,*“Take these things away! Do not make My Father’s house a house of merchandise!”*17*Then His disciples remembered that it was written,*“Zeal for Your house has consumed Me"

    I asked a question earlier about the accounts in Leviticus where the fire of God consumed the sacrifice but later the priests themselves when they brought unholy fire into the sanctuary, if Satan suddenly became God's stand in from somewhere inside the manifested glory.

    That certainly wasn't Satan coming against those people in the temple, it was Jesus who was consumed by the fire of the zeal of the Father. The passage is so well known that people tend to read it with religious glasses on and see Jesus tending to a task but that was a miracle. The authorities obviously didn't bother to interfere but there is no way one man had the force to overcome a group of merchants by whipping them with cords, especially not at the loss of their money which he poured out on the ground.

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    I suggest you head over to the book of Lamentations (that one is in the Bible) and get to work on that. There are 5 chapters there that need some thorough retranslating. A job worthy of Batman or the Fantastic Four, that is for sure.

    Quote Originally Posted by victoryword View Post
    One reason I do not like to waste a lot of time debating this is because most people don't really study the whole Bible in relation to what it means for God to have wrath and anger and all they do is what you do TT - you seem to make it appear as if God has to take different "theological attributes" and intermingle them in order to explain your theological concepts.

    First and foremost, God is NOT wrath nor is He anger. The defining characteristic of God is LOVE. God does NOT turn off His love in order to exercise wrath/anger. If my children are doing drugs, engaging in sexual immorality or any other dangerous behavior, of course I will become angry, but not because I have been slighted or offended by their behavior as is true with most humans. I will be angry because of what they are doing to hurt themselves and others. My anger is based on my LOVE, not my personally being offended at the violation of my holy standards.

    God gets angry and has wrath but not in the way many of you would like to depict Him apart from the revelation of God as seen in Jesus Christ. Jesus Himself became angry but why? Because of what some were doing to others and to themselves. Note that Jesus still loved the sinner and His main purpose was to free them from sin.

    The Father and Jesus are exactly alike. Scripture teaches this. The Father's anger is no different than Jesus'. The Father does NOT have a violent temper. In His "wrath" God grieves over the sins of man. Therefore, the redemptive work in Christ was not over God's anger with the human race but His love for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by victoryword View Post
    One reason I do not like to waste a lot of time debating this is because most people don't really study the whole Bible in relation to what it means for God to have wrath and anger and all they do is what you do TT - you seem to make it appear as if God has to take different "theological attributes" and intermingle them in order to explain your theological concepts.
    I think the main reason why you don't like to debate this particular theory of yours is that you really don't have a leg to stand on. You do of course have a point in relation to the approach that some Calvinists take where God is behind every ill there is but your totalitarian approach to eradicating God's active judgments over people fails miserably in light of scripture. It may seem very smart and very radical just like Universalists think they are very smart and radical but it has no scriptural merit. The list of books, passages and verses that are in total conflict with your theory is endless but here is yet another one :

    2 Thes 1:6 since it is a righteous thing with God to repay with tribulation those who trouble you,
    7 and to give you who are troubled rest with us when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels,
    8 in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.
    9 These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power,
    10 when He comes, in that Day, to be glorified in His saints and to be admired among all those who believe, because our testimony among you was believed.

    The list of discrepancies is endless when comparing the passage to your theory.
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