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    Too many that are CPL'd have no idea of the laws much less morality of the issue. If I were in younger days drafted into a combat situation...and this is the same issue, really...I would not have a conflict doing my duty. In civil life, very similar. I have the legal right, I am well trained and studied the law on various situations.

    Zeke, if you had previously thought of emptying your gun on someone...maybe it's the Lord trying to correct your thinking on the usage of a firearm rather than general morality. Are you going the whole way into pacifism? ETA: and that is ok by me.

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    I look at protecting oneself/family in the context of just everyday life as different from persecution for the gospel's sake.

    If I have a weapon, and you break into my house looking to harm me and my family, if you aren't saved (and I assume you're not if you're breaking into my house) then I will protect my family and send you to hell right then and there on the spot using my gun.

    If I'm being persecution for righteousness sake, that's different to me. I think. I had a former student from the Bible college be martyred in a muslim country. He had been there a few years, had an outreach, although I think it was pretty well disguised, and one day a motorcycle pulled up on both sides of his SUV and blew him away with automatic weapons. Everyone suspects it was due to the covert Christian operation. Now, if those same muslims had come to my building and started shooting in, would I just let them kill me? It would still be religious persecution, but I'm not so sure I wouldn't fight back in that case. So maybe I don't see the situations as quite so different.

    To add, he was so beloved by the local people there was a mass demonstration by the locals with signs with his picture on them against his being killed. If I can find the video I will post it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FireBrand View Post
    Too many that are CPL'd have no idea of the laws much less morality of the issue. If I were in younger days drafted into a combat situation...and this is the same issue, really...I would not have a conflict doing my duty. In civil life, very similar. I have the legal right, I am well trained and studied the law on various situations.

    Zeke, if you had previously thought of emptying your gun on someone...maybe it's the Lord trying to correct your thinking on the usage of a firearm rather than general morality. Are you going the whole way into pacifism? ETA: and that is ok by me.
    I don't know what I'm doin, just chewing on something that I thought was settled in my heart until a recent fast and some praying. Then it came back up on me.

    I don't think there is a red blooded American who wouldn't step in with force if necessary, but would God be pleased would be the question. Does this fall under "Love your neighbor as yourself"?

    I see soldiers and authorities addressed in the Word. They bare not the sword in vain. Today that would have been written "They bare not their weapons in vain" I guess.

    I spent 22 years as a soldier and would not have hesitated to do my duty. But today, I just don't want to do anything that would not please God, so I have to ask these serious questions and find peace within my spirit on the matter. Does it boil down to "God would not be pleased if you did nothing to stop a violent attack on someone" or "God would not be pleased that you took a life while stopping the attack"???

    I know that there are churches with armed members and even paid security.


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    Just came across this and am starting to watch it.




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    Jesus did not allow Peter to defend him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tschau View Post
    Jesus did not allow Peter to defend him.
    Why? Do you actually think that Jesus' situation was the same as somebody breaking in your home to do you harm?

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    Deep in my heart I hope if someone wants to harm me, that I will bless him/her

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    A bigger problem arises if someone broke into your home to attack your wife or children.
    What would Jesus expect us to do?

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    Here is part 2. So far, they have not used NT scriptures, only American historical documents and the OT. I do not believe that we should build a NT church doctrine by starting in the OT, but that the OT can be used to strengthen a NT doctrine established by Jesus and the Apostles.



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