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Originally Posted by
Cardinal TT
Your comment would have merit but it's meaningless when you favour Calvinists with your bias
Yes because they insist that things be demonstrated Biblically, i.e. the Bible teaches it, rather than relying on people who "say" they went to hell, and "say" that Jesus visited them personally, then "say" that Jesus taught them things that no one knew before.
One might as well believe in the 1917 Marian apparitions at Fatima.
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Originally Posted by
FunFromOz
One might as well believe in the 1917 Marian apparitions at Fatima.
and Calvinists believe in evil doctrines like limited atonement and are arrogant about their deception pretending it's in the scriptures
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Originally Posted by
Cardinal TT
and Calvinists believe in evil doctrines like limited atonement and are arrogant about their deception pretending it's in the scriptures
So you're a universalist then? Well done.
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Originally Posted by
FunFromOz
So you're a universalist then? Well done.
More delusion by yourself as well as casting aspersions
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Originally Posted by
Cardinal TT
and Calvinists believe in evil doctrines like limited atonement and are arrogant about their deception pretending it's in the scriptures
Also referred to as definite atonement.
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Originally Posted by
Cardinal TT
More delusion by yourself as well as casting aspersions
Not at all. Unless you believe everyone will be saved you believe that only some will be saved. There is a limit on who will be saved.
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Originally Posted by
FunFromOz
Not at all. Unless you believe everyone will be saved you believe that only some will be saved. There is a limit on who will be saved.
You can remain in your deception unlike millions who understand true doctrine with many ex-Calvinists who have rejected the lie of limited atonement
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Originally Posted by
Cardinal TT
You can remain in your deception unlike millions who understand true doctrine with many ex-Calvinists who have rejected the lie of limited atonement
I could give a few supporting Scriptures, and I will below, but it's no use discussing definite atonement because you don't believe in election. And you don't believe in election because you don't believe how holy God is and how evil you are.
You either believe that of yourself you're good enough to recognise your sinfulness and believe. God doesn't need to be involved at all. Or you might believe that God needs to intervene and reveal your sinfulness and then you may choose to believe. If you want. But the Bible teaches that you're not interested in God and need to be born again to see the kingdom of heaven.
A flaw in the argument that God reveals Himself a bit and the person chooses to believe is that God being God knows exactly what it would take to get anyone and everyone to believe, but He obviously doesn't. So even if you believe this you have to acknowledge that God chooses exactly who is going to be saved.
Anyway some Scriptures on definite atonement.
"And she will bring forth a Son, and you shall call His name Jesus, for He will save (WHO) His people from their sins."
"... just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life a ransom for (WHO) many."
"For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for (WHO) many for the remission of sins."
"I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd gives His life for (WHO) the sheep. As the Father knows Me, even so I know the Father; and I lay down My life for (WHO) the sheep."
"Now when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad and glorified the word of the Lord. And (WHO) as many as had been appointed to eternal life believed."
"Therefore take heed to yourselves and to all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd (WHAT) the church of God which He purchased with His own blood."
"Therefore, in all things He had to be made like His brethren, that He might be a merciful and faithful High Priest in things pertaining to God, to make propitiation for (WHAT) the sins of the people."
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And you understand God's holiness and mans sinfulness so much more than us pitiful non Reformed believers
No wonder many ex Calvinists say they didn't realise how arrogant Calvinism makes people until they leave that deception
You are an arrogant man
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Originally Posted by
Cardinal TT
And you understand God's holiness and mans sinfulness so much more than us pitiful non Reformed believers
If you think that there is anything that is of any goodness in yourself then you don't understand God's holiness and your sinfulness.
God is majestic and pure and holy and if you see this you should recognise your own corruption and that there's no way that you could ever stand before God apart from grace.
I think it was the Colonel who once wrote that "we let God save us". That tT-20% is arrogance.
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