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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal TT View Post
    Your comment would have merit but it's meaningless when you favour Calvinists with your bias
    Yes because they insist that things be demonstrated Biblically, i.e. the Bible teaches it, rather than relying on people who "say" they went to hell, and "say" that Jesus visited them personally, then "say" that Jesus taught them things that no one knew before.

    One might as well believe in the 1917 Marian apparitions at Fatima.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FunFromOz View Post
    One might as well believe in the 1917 Marian apparitions at Fatima.
    and Calvinists believe in evil doctrines like limited atonement and are arrogant about their deception pretending it's in the scriptures

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    and Calvinists believe in evil doctrines like limited atonement and are arrogant about their deception pretending it's in the scriptures
    So you're a universalist then? Well done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FunFromOz View Post
    So you're a universalist then? Well done.
    More delusion by yourself as well as casting aspersions

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal TT View Post
    and Calvinists believe in evil doctrines like limited atonement and are arrogant about their deception pretending it's in the scriptures
    Also referred to as definite atonement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal TT View Post
    More delusion by yourself as well as casting aspersions
    Not at all. Unless you believe everyone will be saved you believe that only some will be saved. There is a limit on who will be saved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FunFromOz View Post
    Not at all. Unless you believe everyone will be saved you believe that only some will be saved. There is a limit on who will be saved.
    You can remain in your deception unlike millions who understand true doctrine with many ex-Calvinists who have rejected the lie of limited atonement

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal TT View Post
    You can remain in your deception unlike millions who understand true doctrine with many ex-Calvinists who have rejected the lie of limited atonement
    I could give a few supporting Scriptures, and I will below, but it's no use discussing definite atonement because you don't believe in election. And you don't believe in election because you don't believe how holy God is and how evil you are.

    You either believe that of yourself you're good enough to recognise your sinfulness and believe. God doesn't need to be involved at all. Or you might believe that God needs to intervene and reveal your sinfulness and then you may choose to believe. If you want. But the Bible teaches that you're not interested in God and need to be born again to see the kingdom of heaven.

    A flaw in the argument that God reveals Himself a bit and the person chooses to believe is that God being God knows exactly what it would take to get anyone and everyone to believe, but He obviously doesn't. So even if you believe this you have to acknowledge that God chooses exactly who is going to be saved.

    Anyway some Scriptures on
    definite atonement.

    "And she will bring forth a Son, and you shall call His name Jesus, for He will save (WHO) His people from their sins."
    "... just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life a ransom for (WHO) many."
    "For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for (WHO) many for the remission of sins."
    "I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd gives His life for (WHO) the sheep. As the Father knows Me, even so I know the Father; and I lay down My life for (WHO) the sheep."
    "Now when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad and glorified the word of the Lord. And (WHO) as many as had been appointed to eternal life believed."
    "Therefore take heed to yourselves and to all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd (WHAT) the church of God which He purchased with His own blood."
    "Therefore, in all things He had to be made like His brethren, that He might be a merciful and faithful High Priest in things pertaining to God, to make propitiation for (WHAT) the sins of the people."

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    And you understand God's holiness and mans sinfulness so much more than us pitiful non Reformed believers
    No wonder many ex Calvinists say they didn't realise how arrogant Calvinism makes people until they leave that deception

    You are an arrogant man

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal TT View Post
    And you understand God's holiness and mans sinfulness so much more than us pitiful non Reformed believers
    If you think that there is anything that is of any goodness in yourself then you don't understand God's holiness and your sinfulness.

    God is majestic and pure and holy and if you see this you should recognise your own corruption and that there's no way that you could ever stand before God apart from grace.

    I think it was the Colonel who once wrote that "we let God save us". That tT-20% is arrogance.

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