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    What is our Gospel message to the world ?
    Mark 1:14-15
    14 Now after John was arrested, Jesus came into Galilee, proclaiming the gospel of God, 15 and saying, "The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand;repent and believe in the gospel."Have a change of mind and heart and believe the Good News !2 Corinthians 5:19 that is, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not counting people's sins against them [but canceling them]. And He has committed to us the message of reconciliation [that is, restoration to favor with God
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    After covid and politics it's refreshing to see things back to normal here.

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    After covid and politics it's refreshing to see things back to normal here.

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    Bringing in the big guns now. They will run for the hills......

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    What is our Gospel message to the world ?
    Mark 1:14-15
    14 Now after John was arrested, Jesus came into Galilee, proclaiming the gospel of God, 15 and saying, "The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand;repent and believe in the gospel."Have a change of mind and heart and believe the Good News !2 Corinthians 5:19 that is, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not counting people's sins against them [but canceling them]. And He has committed to us the message of reconciliation [that is, restoration to favor with God
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    Leighton shows the interpretation of a key verse by Calvinists is faulty

    John 6:44 De-Calvinized


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    That fails in the first 30 seconds TT when Mr Flowers decides to substitute his own words for what the Bible says, what reformed theology teaches, and makes that his foundational statement and follows on from there.

    (Sorry LionHeart but I'm doing a cut and paste here I'm reformatting it for emphasis)

    This is how the reformed see it, and it is not how Mr Flowers claims we see it. (This is from C. H. SPURGEON, How Men Come to Christ - John 6:44 | Monergism)

    Mark that in the Father's drawing there is no compulsion whatever; (at 0:34 Mr Flowers says that the Calvinist is interpreting the word "draw" as "compel" ...FFO)
    Christ never compelled any man to come to Him against his will.
    If a man be unwilling to be saved, Christ does not save him against his will.
    How, then, does the Holy Spirit draw him? Why, by making him willing.
    It is true He does not use "moral suasion"; He knows a nearer method of reaching the heart. He goes to the secret fountain of the heart, and He knows how, by some mysterious operation, to turn the will in an opposite direction, so that, as Ralph Erskine (1685-1752) paradoxically puts it, the man is saved "with full consent against his will";
    that is, against his old will he is saved.
    But he is saved with full consent, for he is made willing in the day of God's power.
    Do not imagine that any man will go to heaven kicking and struggling all the way against the Hand that draws him.
    Do not conceive that any man will be plunged in the bath of a Saviour's blood while he is striving to run away from the Saviour.
    Oh, no! It is quite true that first of all man is unwilling to be saved. When the Holy Spirit hath put His influence into the heart, the test is fulfilled: "Draw me and I will run after thee" (Song 1:4).
    We follow on while He draws us, glad to obey the Voice which once we had despised.

    You can clearly see here TT that what Mr Flowers says reformed theology says about John 6:44 is not at all what reformed theology actually says.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FunFromOz View Post
    TYou can clearly see here TT that what Mr Flowers says reformed theology says about John 6:44 is not at all what reformed theology actually says.
    In past posts you have said you don't know everything about RD. Leighton is a Professor and more learned than you on RD so he understands exactly what RD teaches.
    Why do disagree with a credentialed scholar unless you are unwilling to humble yourself and accept you could be wrong.
    True humility will be open and really analyse the truth but have set your mind like concrete and become unteachable.

    You said in another post you were regenerated and then later saved.
    You believe this Emotional Experience was from God confirming your Calvinist belief system

    BTW God can use emotional experiences to draw people and I don't deny your experience was from God. I reject your understanding of what happened and how you equate that to Calvinistic regeneration.

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