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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal TT View Post
    Free will believers accept Romans 3:23 and 6:23 - we are all destined to hell deservedly without Christ's salvation
    All Bible believers believe that which is why I worded my questions as I did. Anyway back to the questions asked, i.e.

    Q1: Which of the billions of unrighteous, rebellious, sinful men deserve anything good from God? (I didn't say "get" because we do get good things from God. I said deserve)

    Q2: Which of the billions of unrighteous, rebellious, sinful men who deserve to spend eternity in hell do not deserve any and all punishment that God should choose to inflict on them in this life? (I didn't say we'd like it, I'm asking if there is any sinful person who does not deserve it)

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    1. No one deserves anything good from God

    2. God can inflict any punishment he wants if he chooses

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal TT View Post
    1. No one deserves anything good from God

    2. God can inflict any punishment he wants if he chooses
    Thank you, and attempted disclaimer noted.

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    That's the Calvinist feel good, go to comment that makes you believe you are right and honoring God.

    What you dismiss as we have tried to explain more than once is: The Calvinist sovereign dominion doctrine has false teaching mixed in with truth

    It isn't hated it is rejected for being foolish, twisted and mixed with error - keep telling yourself it is hated as it justifies your belief


    God is sovereign, supreme and has dominion but not the way Calvinist's teach - it's as simple as that
    I did a quick DDG and looked that the first reformed and non-reformed articles on the Sovereignty of God. In the non-reformed article at Sovereignty of God - Andrew Wommack Ministries I read this:

    "People virtually have to climb over the roadblocks that God puts in their way to continue on their course to hell." Yep, it really did. Then it says "God has a perfect plan for every person's life (Jer. 29:11)" (if going into slavery for 70 years is perfect!!!)

    The reformed site at https://www.gty.org/library/Articles...te-Sovereignty says,

    "Human pride loathes the suggestion that God orders everything, controls everything, rules over everything. The carnal mind, burning with enmity against God, abhors the biblical teaching that nothing comes to pass except according to His eternal decrees. Most of all, the flesh hates the notion that salvation is entirely God's work. If God chose who would be saved, and if His choice was settled before the foundation of the world, then believers deserve no credit for their salvation."

    I have to agree TT, they certainly are different teachings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FunFromOz View Post
    I did a quick DDG and looked that the first reformed and non-reformed articles on the Sovereignty of God. In the non-reformed article at Sovereignty of God - Andrew Wommack Ministries I read this:

    "People virtually have to climb over the roadblocks that God puts in their way to continue on their course to hell." Yep, it really did. Then it says "God has a perfect plan for every person's life (Jer. 29:11)" (if going into slavery for 70 years is perfect!!!)

    The reformed site at https://www.gty.org/library/Articles...te-Sovereignty says,

    "Human pride loathes the suggestion that God orders everything, controls everything, rules over everything. The carnal mind, burning with enmity against God, abhors the biblical teaching that nothing comes to pass except according to His eternal decrees. Most of all, the flesh hates the notion that salvation is entirely God's work. If God chose who would be saved, and if His choice was settled before the foundation of the world, then believers deserve no credit for their salvation."

    I have to agree TT, they certainly are different teachings.
    That is a lazy man's excuse for not praying to change adverse circumstances that come our way. In Calvinistic error if everything is God's will why pray to change anything ?This is totally opposite of a life of robust faith of cooperation with God in praying and seeing His will come to pass in the Earth. Calvinists will be sick and sorry when they see that they have accepted satans will for their lives and not God's due to their passivity and powerless praying. What a sick and twisted theology !

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    Quote Originally Posted by LionHeart View Post
    That is a lazy man's excuse for not praying to change adverse circumstances that come our way. In Calvinistic error if everything is God's will why pray to change anything ?This is totally opposite of a life of robust faith of cooperation with God in praying and seeing His will come to pass in the Earth. Calvinists will be sick and sorry when they see that they have accepted satans will for their lives and not God's due to their passivity and powerless praying. What a sick and twisted theology !
    (Thank you for an original post).

    LionHeart I'm not sure where you get your ideas of Reformed Theology from, and yes there are some hyper-Calvinists who think that as God has preordained everything we should do nothing. These are as much in error as those who think God has no idea what is going to happen in the future, the next second even.

    But in reality we have two parallel streams, God's sovereignty and man's responsibility, which work side by side, are both valid, yet are, unfortunately, how this works is un-understandable to the human mind. Both are taught in the Bible so both are true.

    So the Calvinist will pray just as much, if not more, than anyone else. It's what we do. It's what God commands us to do. But unlike non-reformed people we don't see ourselves at the top of the pile. It's sort of like what I do at work. I wash a car, drive somewhere, collect names, maybe carry flowers, and that job is done. But behind me is a manager aware of a dozen things bigger than that which will be done that day, with lots of people, and what the manager want to be done will be and is done. Non-reformed people don't seem to like the idea of there being someone greater in the background in overall control.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FunFromOz View Post
    (Thank you for an original post).
    But unlike non-reformed people we don't see ourselves at the top of the pile. ....Non-reformed people don't seem to like the idea of there being someone greater in the background in overall control.

    Those statements keep you locked into the error of Calvinism and they are actually lies
    We do not see ourselves on top of the pile that and not liking the idea that God is greater in the background is plain ridiculous

    It really is mind boggling how you believe that distortion
    The Truth is Calvinism does not understand how Scriptural sovereignty works. Non Reformed 100% know God is on top.
    Calvinism makes false assumption and judges everything through a false lens and hence everyone else is wrong


    Praise be to God for using Leighton Flowers and many other credentialed ex Calvinists to reveal the lies and bring people into fuller truth

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    A bit off-topic, but why is it that everyone's avatars have suddenly disappeared?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MercyandFaith View Post
    A bit off-topic, but why is it that everyone's avatars have suddenly disappeared?

    I can see everyone else's maybe God predestined yours to disappear

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal TT View Post
    Those statements keep you locked into the error of Calvinism and they are actually lies
    We do not see ourselves on top of the pile that and not liking the idea that God is greater in the background is plain ridiculous

    It really is mind boggling how you believe that distortion
    The Truth is Calvinism does not understand how Scriptural sovereignty works. Non Reformed 100% know God is on top.
    Calvinism makes false assumption and judges everything through a false lens and hence everyone else is wrong


    Praise be to God for using Leighton Flowers and many other credentialed ex Calvinists to reveal the lies and bring people into fuller truth
    Maybe I worded that wrong TT, God orders everything, controls everything, rules over everything. The biblical teaching is that nothing comes to pass except according to His eternal decrees, specifically salvation is entirely God's work.

    Non Reformed people don't like that.

    They certainly don't like this:
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