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    Quote Originally Posted by FunFromOz View Post
    You've probably noticed as well MercyandFaith that when we read of things like God closing Hannah's womb, and there are hundreds of Scriptures where God says he will do this or that (e.g. the plagues of Egypt combined with His hardening of Pharaoh's heart), that people come in and openly deny that God did such things even though it says the same thing in all 52 English versions of the Bible in BibleGateway.com (well maybe 49. The MSG, Passion and NLT paraphrase too much to be considered a reliable rendering of the original text). It says it in the Bible and people deny it.
    A follow up on the Plagues MercyandFaith.

    Working backwards we know Jesus was the "real" Passover lamb and that relates all the way back to the Exodus. In the middle we have the Law and sacrificial system that help us understand what God was doing and how Jesus' death on the cross could take away our sin. And this is spoken of in Hebrews where the writer says, "But when Christ appeared as a high priest of the good things having come, He entered through the greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made by hands, that is, not of this creation; and not through the blood of goats and calves, but through His own blood, He entered the holy place once for all time, having obtained eternal redemption." (Heb 9:11-12)

    Now in the legal world for evidence to be accepted there has to be a "chain of evidence" from start to finish. If a gun claimed to be used in a crime goes missing for a while before the trial then how do we know it's the same gun? It can't be used in evidence.

    So in the Bible everything has to be consistent, agree etc. In the setting up of the Levitical priesthood we read, "Again the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, "Now, behold, I have taken the Levites from among the sons of Israel instead of every firstborn, the firstborn of the womb among the sons of Israel. So the Levites shall be Mine. For all the firstborn are Mine; on the day that I fatally struck all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, I sanctified to Myself all the firstborn in Israel, from the human firstborn to animals. They shall be Mine; I am the Lord." (Num 3:11-13). Notice God says, "on the day that I fatally struck all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, I sanctified to Myself all the firstborn in Israel". If God didn't strike down the firstborn in Egypt as He said He did then the chain of evidence is broken and so the argument that Jesus is the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world, and our High Priest cannot be validly made.

    If God did not do the things He said He did then we might as well "eat, drink and be merry", as we are stuck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LionHeart View Post

    No we revere the Holy Scriptures not the insane interpretation of scriptures by Calvin and his followers. it is trashy theology that changes the actual nature of God into a monster.
    Frankly, I'm more bemused than anything else. Why this torrential rage against Calvinism, a fellow sect of Christianity? It's like you've reserved the rage you should have for enemies of the Gospel, or false prophets or false teachers, or persecutors of Christians........for fellow Christians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LionHeart View Post

    No we revere the Holy Scriptures not the insane interpretation of scriptures by Calvin and his followers. it is trashy theology that changes the actual nature of God into a monster.
    Well then you can easily answer the question I asked over 24 hours ago now can't you, i.e.

    ". . . can you tell me in your own words how you understand supralapsarianism and infralapsarianism? (this actually will be a good chance for you to "knock the legs out from under [my] false arguments". If you want to go out on a limb, guess which I prefer)"

    As I said, "You are THE expert in Calvinism LionHeart. You understand it so well that you know that "Calvin's false doctrine has been soundly refuted" by John 12:32."

    You are The Man LionHeart. You are the Defender of the Faith. You are the last line of defence against those who would dare suggest that it is God who is good and man who is evil. You are the one who understands.

    You don't have to change the subject continually as you pointed out Calvinists do. You don't have to copy someone else's words and post the same thing in multiple places. You can speak your own words. Your own thoughts put into words. Words from the depth of the deep Biblical understanding of your brilliant mind. Words that would cause the likes of MacArthur, Piper, Lawson, Sproul, Spurgeon, Zacharias etc. to humble themselves, to shut up shop, and to go home and spend the rest of their lives on their knees repenting of preaching "trashy theology".

    Come on LionHeart. Be The Man. Show us what you've got.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MercyandFaith View Post
    Frankly, I'm more bemused than anything else. Why this torrential rage against Calvinism, a fellow sect of Christianity? It's like you've reserved the rage you should have for enemies of the Gospel, or false prophets or false teachers, or persecutors of Christians........for fellow Christians.

    It is scriptural to be angry with false teaching like your hatred of false prophesy
    I suppose if one is a Calvinist they are entitled to rage but not for other believers


    I am bemused by your bemusement

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    Quote Originally Posted by MercyandFaith View Post
    Frankly, I'm more bemused than anything else. Why this torrential rage against Calvinism, a fellow sect of Christianity?
    Because "God's sovereign dominion over all things, is the most hated doctrine of Bible Christianity."

    See Christianity’s Most Hated Doctrine – Deuteronomy 4:32-40 - Calvary Independent Baptist Church of Post Falls, Idaho

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal TT View Post
    It is scriptural to be angry with false teaching like your hatred of false prophecy
    Wait.......... it's wrong to hate false prophecy?

    Should we love it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MercyandFaith View Post
    Wait.......... it's wrong to hate false prophecy?

    Should we love it?

    Should we love false teaching in Calvinism?????


    Calvinist - God hates false prophecy

    God - I hate false teaching as well, especially junk that pretends to understand my sovereignty and predestination

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    Quote Originally Posted by FunFromOz View Post
    Because "God's sovereign dominion over all things, is the most hated doctrine of Bible Christianity."

    That's the Calvinist feel good, go to comment that makes you believe you are right and honoring God.

    What you dismiss as we have tried to explain more than once is: The Calvinist sovereign dominion doctrine has false teaching mixed in with truth

    It isn't hated it is rejected for being foolish, twisted and mixed with error - keep telling yourself it is hated as it justifies your belief


    God is sovereign, supreme and has dominion but not the way Calvinist's teach - it's as simple as that

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal TT View Post
    That's the Calvinist feel good, go to comment that makes you believe you are right and honoring God.
    There is ONE God TT. He is holy; He is righteous; He is just. He is the Creator and it was entirely His own choice to create us.

    There are billions of men TT. We are all sinful; we are all evil; we are all rebellious; we are all unrighteous; we are all selfish; we are all unjust. We were created by God. We only exist because of Him. We were created to worship Him but we have rebelled against Him. So . . .

    Q1: Which of the billions of unrighteous, rebellious, sinful men deserve anything good from God? (I didn't say "get" because we do get good things from God. I said deserve)

    Q2: Which of the billions of unrighteous, rebellious, sinful men who deserve to spend eternity in hell do not deserve any and all punishment that God should choose to inflict on them in this life? (I didn't say we'd like it, I'm asking if there is any sinful person who does not deserve it)

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    Quote Originally Posted by FunFromOz View Post
    There is ONE God TT. He is holy; He is righteous; He is just. He is the Creator and it was entirely His own choice to create us.

    There are billions of men TT. We are all sinful; we are all evil; we are all rebellious; we are all unrighteous; we are all selfish; we are all unjust. We were created by God. We only exist because of Him. We were created to worship Him but we have rebelled against Him. So . . .

    Q1: Which of the billions of unrighteous, rebellious, sinful men deserve anything good from God? (I didn't say "get" because we do get good things from God. I said deserve)

    Q2: Which of the billions of unrighteous, rebellious, sinful men who deserve to spend eternity in hell do not deserve any and all punishment that God should choose to inflict on them in this life? (I didn't say we'd like it, I'm asking if there is any sinful person who does not deserve it)

    Free will believers accept Romans 3:23 and 6:23 - we are all destined to hell deservedly without Christ's salvation

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