Page 4 of 4 FirstFirst ... 234
Results 31 to 36 of 36

Thread: Don't Waste Your Cancer-John Piper (Calvinist)

  1. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by LionHeart View Post
    1 Corinthians 5:5 deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus. 1 Timothy 1:20 (ASV) of whom is Hymenaeus and Alexander; whom I delivered unto Satan, that they might be taught not to blaspheme.
    So if Paul believed that turning someone over to satan was the proper way of punishment and discipline (in extreme cases) where did he get that concept ?

  2. #32
    Quote Originally Posted by LionHeart View Post
    1 Corinthians 5:5 deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus. 1 Timothy 1:20 (ASV) of whom is Hymenaeus and Alexander; whom I delivered unto Satan, that they might be taught not to blaspheme.
    As I said elsewhere (which you seemingly conveniently ignored) that is speaking of Church discipline which has absolutely nothing to do with what MercyandFaith said.

  3. #33
    Quote Originally Posted by FunFromOz View Post
    As I said elsewhere (which you seemingly conveniently ignored) that is speaking of Church discipline which has absolutely nothing to do with what MercyandFaith said.
    And you missed the point entirely because of your bias. All scriptural roads lead away from the distortions of Calvinism not to it.

  4. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by LionHeart View Post
    And you missed the point entirely because of your bias. All scriptural roads lead away from the distortions of Calvinism not to it.
    Not at all. We were talking about apples, you did what you accuse Calvinists of doing and changed the subject and started talking about oranges.

    BTW have you read this?

    Presbyterian Church of Australia - WCF Index

  5. #35
    Questions to ask the Tulip Sniffing Calvinist!

    How do you know you are one of the elect?
    How do you know your "salvation experience" was genuine?
    How do you know you were regenerated and given the gift of faith?
    How do you know that your faith is genuine, that it came as a gift from God and not from yourself?
    How do you know you have the right kind of faith or enough faith?
    How do you know you are truly saved, one of the elect, and will persevere in good works and godliness till the end of your life?
    How can anyone know? Yet 1 John 5:13 says we can know we have eternal life.
    If the faith to believe in Jesus Christ is given through irresistible grace as a gift, why does the Bible command and exhort us to believe in Jesus Christ? Why give commands that are impossible to obey?
    No one is perfect and we all sin. How can one know he is truly elect and is persevering to the end if there is still sin in his or her life?
    How many sins indicate one is not persevering and therefore not truly elect?
    Which sins would indicate one is not persevering?
    Where can these answers be found in the Bible?
    Calvinists believe the elect must be regenerated before they are given the faith to believe the gospel. But how can they be regenerated through the gospel when they can't understand the gospel until regenerated?
    Why are there so many warnings in the Bible to believers not to drift away, Heb. 2:1, not to fall away Heb. 4:11, not to come short of the grace of God, Heb. 12:15, not to shrink back, Heb. 10:28, not to be carried away by unprincipled men and fall from their steadfastness, 2 Peter 3:17, and not to desert Christ, Gal. 1:6? If all the elect are assured of persevering to the end, then why are there all of these warnings?
    1 Cor. 9:24-27 speaks of running a race for a prize. The Apostle Paul said he disciplined himself so he would not be disqualified. Certainly Paul was one of the elect, so how was it possible for him to be disqualified if all the elect persevere to the end?
    If Jesus Christ died only for the elect, then the un-elect must be judged at the Great White Throne for their sins because Christ was not judged for them. Why does Rev. 20:12 & 13 say they will be judged according to their works/deeds? If they are to be judged for their sins as Calvinists say, why are their sins never mentioned at this Judgment?
    How can God withhold grace and Christ's atonement from some of His creatures and then condemn them to the Lake of Fire for all eternity for not accepting what was never offered to them?
    How can Christ be just, loving, compassionate, and merciful if He chose to die on the cross for some when He could have easily died on the cross for everyone?
    Why preach 'repent or perish' when the non-elect can't repent and the elect can't perish?
    How can God hold the non-elect responsible for 'not believing' and damn them for it, when He deliberately did not give them the faith to enable them to believe in the first place?
    If Christ has already made an efficacious atonement for the sins of an elect person, is that elect person actually lost during the period prior to their being saved?
    During the period before an elect person gets saved, how are they condemned already (for not believing) when their unbelief (which is a sin) has already been paid for by Christ on the cross?
    If repentance is a gift only given to the elect, what did Jesus mean when He said that some of the people in hell would have repented if they had had the same opportunity as the people to whom He preached?
    Why does the Spirit of God strive and convict some sinners who later prove, by dying and going to hell, that they were non-elect? What is the purpose of such movings of the Spirit?

  6. #36
    Quote Originally Posted by LionHeart View Post
    Questions to ask the Tulip Sniffing Calvinist!
    The answers for people who don't really want answers can be found here: - Presbyterian Church of Australia - WCF Index

Tags for this Thread

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
Has your Ford F-250 warranty expired? Get a fast online quote from CarWarrantyUS today. Enjoy the open road and leave the repairs to us.