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It is entirely possible for Piper to deCalvinize. Because I believe in the supernatural.
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Originally Posted by
MercyandFaith
I think we've hit a point where we will just have to agree to disagree.
Have you been here long?
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Originally Posted by
FireBrand
Have you been here long?
Obviously not.
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Originally Posted by
fuego
Obviously not.
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Originally Posted by
MercyandFaith
So when God struck Egypt with the 10 plagues, that was actually Satan striking Egypt, and God was only allowing Satan to do so? Highly doubtful.
When evil people were struck by illness in the Bible, why would Satan strike them with illness? It's not in Satan's interests to do so.
Well first MF we had God call Abram and promise him lots of stuff including many descendants and the land of Canaan but said his descendants would be slaves.
The promise went to the son God promised, Isaac, then his son whom God choose, Jacob.
Now God send Jacob's son Joseph to Egypt to provide for Jacob and his family during the famine that was to come.
So now the devil gets in on the act and decided to help God fulfil his statement to Abram and had the Egyptians enslave the Israelites.
Skip ahead and God calls Moses to lead Israel out of slavery after punishing Pharaoh/ Egypt and the devil is only too happy to help.
So at the exact time asked for by Moses or God or Pharaoh the devil kills fish, creates frogs and gnats and flies and locusts and hail and darkness and boils on everyone in Egypt and eventually kills the firstborn of the Egyptians, respecting the blood of the lamb on the Israelites doors.
Thus the devil, who is able to create things as he wills, willingly and purposely assists God in freeing Israel from slavery and allowing them to go to the land God promised them.
Pretty nice guy by the sound of things.
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Originally Posted by
LionHeart
He doesn't have any cancer to give ! James 1: 16 Do not be misled, my beloved brothers. 17 Every good act of giving and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no variation or shadow of shifting.
Are you widely read Biblically LionHeart?
Have you read this:
if, instead, you reject My <God's> statutes, and if your soul loathes My <God's> ordinances so as not to carry out all My <God's> commandments, but rather to break My <God's> covenant, I <that is God>, in turn, will do this to you: I <that is God> will summon
(1) a sudden terror against you,
(2) consumption and fever that will make the eyes fail and the soul languish; also,
(3) you will sow your seed uselessly, for your enemies will eat it.
And I <that is God> will set My face against you so that
(4) you will be defeated before your enemies; and
(5) those who hate you will rule over you, and
(6) you will flee when no one is pursuing you.
That's in Leviticus 26:15-17.
That is God speaking LionHeart. That is God saying what He will do to His chosen people if they disobey Him. Do we thing He won't punish us if we disobey? Do we think he won't punish the unbeliever when he disobeys continually?
Just because James says that good things come from God he doesn't say that things that we consider bad don't. Don't add to Scripture.
Also don't skip Scripture. The next verse in James reads "In the exercise of His will He gave us birth by the word of truth, so that we would be a kind of first fruits among His creatures".
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Originally Posted by
FunFromOz
Are you widely read Biblically LionHeart?
Have you read this:
if, instead, you reject My <God's> statutes, and if your soul loathes My <God's> ordinances so as not to carry out all My <God's> commandments, but rather to break My <God's> covenant, I <that is God>, in turn, will do this to you: I <that is God> will summon
(1) a sudden terror against you,
(2) consumption and fever that will make the eyes fail and the soul languish; also,
(3) you will sow your seed uselessly, for your enemies will eat it.
And I <that is God> will set My face against you so that
(4) you will be defeated before your enemies; and
(5) those who hate you will rule over you, and
(6) you will flee when no one is pursuing you.
That's in Leviticus 26:15-17.
That is God speaking LionHeart. That is God saying what He will do to His chosen people if they disobey Him. Do we thing He won't punish us if we disobey? Do we think he won't punish the unbeliever when he disobeys continually?
Just because James says that good things come from God he doesn't say that things that we consider bad don't. Don't add to Scripture.
Also don't skip Scripture. The next verse in James reads "In the exercise of His will He gave us birth by the word of truth, so that we would be a kind of first fruits among His creatures".
How does God punish a flagrant act of sexual sin by a believer in the New Testament ? 1 Corinthians 5:3 Although I am absent from you in body, I am present with you in spirit, and I have already pronounced judgment on the one who did this, just as if I were present. 4 When you are assembled in the name of our Lord Jesus and I am with you in spirit, along with the power of the Lord Jesus, 5 hand this man over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so that his spirit may be saved on the Day of the Lord.
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Originally Posted by
FunFromOz
Probably a waste of effort on my part, but . . .
Some people may assume John Piper was born a Calvinist. Nope. In fact, his embrace of Reformed soteriology came at the expense of some very painful life experiences, some of which he shared in a 2002 sermon. Here's Pastor John explaining one of those key moments from his life in seminary when he came face to face with Philippians 2:12–13 and Romans 9. Here he is to explain. (It last just over 9 mins)
A very sweet and sadly deceived man.
Last edited by fuego; 12-09-2020 at 04:08 PM.
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Originally Posted by
LionHeart
How does God punish a flagrant act of sexual sin by a believer in the New Testament ? 1 Corinthians 5:3 Although I am absent from you in body, I am present with you in spirit, and I have already pronounced judgment on the one who did this, just as if I were present. 4 When you are assembled in the name of our Lord Jesus and I am with you in spirit, along with the power of the Lord Jesus, 5 hand this man over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so that his spirit may be saved on the Day of the Lord.
Valid point.
The previous two verses read, "It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and sexual immorality of such a kind as does not exist even among the Gentiles, namely, that someone has his father's wife. You have become arrogant and have not mourned instead, so that the one who had done this deed would be removed from your midst."
So does that apply to all sin or only "someone who has his father's wife"?
And what does the Bible tell us it means by "hand this man over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh"? Would not Satan want to reward a fallen Christian in the area of the flesh?
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Originally Posted by
LionHeart
A very sweet and sadly deceived man.
Please highlight what he said that indicated he's deceived.
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