Thread: Did Jesus die Spiritually???

Kenneth Hagin and J.R. Goodwin and E.W. Kenyon http://kennethcopelandblog.com/wp-co...dwin_Hagin.pdf

Originally Posted by GodismyJudge

I disagree.

I think the Scripture is clear on the matter.

Jesus was the First-Born from the dead,

It's people heads that get in the way.


Take for example this KEY passage from the O.T....

Psalm 2:7
I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

This passage is never used in relation to Jesus being born of a virgin.

It is used ONLY in reference to the Resurrection and His seating as out High Priest.

Acts 13:33
God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee.

Hebrews 1:4-6
(4) Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
(5) For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
(6) And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.

Hebrews 5:4-5
(4) And no man taketh this honour unto himself, but he that is called of God, as was Aaron.
(5) So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee.

And we have this...

Acts 26:22-23
(22) Having therefore obtained help of God, I continue unto this day, witnessing both to small and great, saying none other things than those which the prophets and Moses did say should come:
(23) That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.

Obviously Jesus Himself had raised people physically from the dead but nobody could be raised from the dead spiritually, until they are placed IN CHRIST.

I was listening to Kenneth Hagin Sr. in 1979 on the radio. I heard this teaching for the first time in my life.My spirit man went flat line as he was teaching On Jesus went to hell. I looked at the radio and said to myself, "this has something to do with this teaching on that radio !" The Holy Spirit witness was speaking clearly to me as a baby Christian that I could listen to this man but reject this teaching. I had not even read the New Testament through yet. I learned to follow this inner witness from my early days. In this case it help me not throw out the baby with the bath water. I continued to listen to Hagin for many years after this and even attended a WOF church for many years. But that powerful inner witness told me clearly that this was error I was hearing and I had not even had enough scriptural knowledge to form an opinion. When I later heard this taught in WOF there was always an anger at those that would disagree with them and this teaching. I think the Holy Spirit is trying to get to them with the inner witness and they are overriding Him therefore the anger.

Originally Posted by GodismyJudge

Also. a word study of this verse is also interesting.

Romans 10:7
Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)

Raised from the lowest of the low.

These are strictly Kenyonisms and not taught anywhere else !In the mouth of two or three witnesses let every word be confirmed.

I agree with Hagin on the basics of faith, but I reject the error of Jesus went to hell.

Originally Posted by Cardinal TT

Wrong thread...are you still whining about Jeus being poor

You're the one who introduced a comparison between Jesus dying spiritually and Jesus being poor in this thread. Quit whining when people follow up on your own posts.

Originally Posted by LionHeart

I agree with Hagin on the basics of faith, but I reject the error of Jesus went to hell.

According to Jewish belief contemporary to Jesus, Paradise which equals "the bosom of Abraham" was a compartment in Hades/Sheol/hell which was separated by a chasm from the compartment where the other dead like the rich man suffered. Jesus' renditions of this follow very precisely the renditions of the contemporary Jewish scholar Josephus in his work "Discourse to the Greeks concerning Hades"