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    Queen of Heaven. Jer 7 and 44.

    Jer 7:18 says, "The children gather wood, the fathers kindle fire, and the women knead dough, to make cakes for the queen of heaven. And they pour out drink offerings to other gods, to provoke me to anger."

    Jer 44:25 says, "Thus says the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel: You and your wives have declared with your mouths, and have fulfilled it with your hands, saying, 'We will surely perform our vows that we have made, to make offerings to the queen of heaven and to pour out drink offerings to her.' Then confirm your vows and perform your vows!"

    I was at a Catholic Church today and snapped this:

    Queen of Heaven.  Jer 7 and 44.-capture-jpg

    I thought I'd look it up and found this:

    "... we seek to renew and express publicly our Consecration to Mary in the condensed and beautiful formula; 'I am all yours my Queen and my Mother and all that I have is yours.' What an extraordinary depth of doctrine and devotion are packed into so few words ..."

    "in the words of St. Louis Marie de Montfort: 'the essence of the devotion consists in giving ourselves up entirely to the Most Holy Virgin in the quality of slave in order to belong wholly to Jesus Christ; and in the next place to do all our actions with Mary, in Mary, by Mary, for Mary in order to do them more perfectly with Jesus, in Jesus, by Jesus, and for the Jesus our last end.' The shorthand of all the work of De Montfort and our Founder is to Jesus through Mary."




    They say very comforting things, the Catholics. The priest hadn't ever met the family. I'm not sure if he'd even met the deceased. But he assured them she was in heaven because she'd received eternal life in baptism.

    Unfortunately I've never been able to find the graveside text, because what they say at there seems to contradict some of the stuff they say at Church. Unless it's symbolic. I think they talk of here resting in the grave till the time of judgement, but maybe they mean the body, because the priest was telling the family she was in heaven with her husband as a 20 year old.

    It would be bad enough for one who did not know God, but I just can't grasp how someone who has been told all their life that they'd get to heaven, to find they'd been deceived, would feel.

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    The official catechism of the Catholic Church gives Mary the title "the queen of heaven".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    The official catechism of the Catholic Church gives Mary the title "the queen of heaven".
    That it does.

    We used to sing something like this at my Catholic school

    Hail, Queen of Heaven, the Ocean Star,
    Guide of the wanderer here below,
    Thrown on life's surge, we claim thy care,
    Save us from peril and from woe.
    Mother of Christ, Star of the sea
    Pray for the wanderer, pray for me.

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    Star of the sea ? I don't think that that is in the catechism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FunFromOz View Post
    ...The priest hadn't ever met the family. I'm not sure if he'd even met the deceased. But he assured them she was in heaven because she'd received eternal life in baptism.

    ... the priest was telling the family she was in heaven with her husband as a 20 year old.
    A 20 year old? That's pretty specific, I don't recall that as being part of Catholic doctrine.

    Supposedly being baptized, even as an infant, got you "in" but there's so many other hoops... venial sins, mortal sins, purgatory. How can he say she's there now if he's following doctrine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by krystian View Post
    A 20 year old? That's pretty specific, I don't recall that as being part of Catholic doctrine.

    Supposedly being baptized, even as an infant, got you "in" but there's so many other hoops... venial sins, mortal sins, purgatory. How can he say she's there now if he's following doctrine.
    How can he say she's there now if he's following doctrine? Well you might ask.

    But why are we surprised?

    Because, if we look around with open eyes, we see that everyone does it.

    The Gospel is that we are sinners, rebelling against God, and in need of salvation. With that we can expect persecution (Mk 10:30) but eventually eternal life as opposed to the eternal punishment we deserve.

    As people become more openly rebellious towards God church numbers drop, and unfortunately some leaders rebel too, and instead of preaching the above water down their message in an attempt to attract people when their real job is to preach the Gospel and let Jesus build His church. Hence we see people pretending that people seek God, that God simply wants to give you lots of nice stuff now etc. No repentance; no submission to God; no carrying your cross daily; just happy hippy land. All you have to do is say what you want (and believe hard enough) Jesus is waiting there to do it for you.

    If real churches have fallen this far we can't expect a "church" that has been falling for centuries to do any different.

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    Another statement I remember being made at the graveside and I've heard it before.

    The priest prays to God to forgive her her sins saying something like "in her heart she desired to do your will". Standard words read from a book, but how can they say such things when they don't know the person?

    Totally unbiblical, yet some think they're "Christians".

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