Page 3 of 26 FirstFirst 1234513 ... LastLast
Results 21 to 30 of 251

Thread: Jesus had a House

  1. #21
    Senior Member Colonel's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2015
    Location
    Oslo, Norway
    Posts
    14,487
    Thanked: 5793
    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal TT View Post
    Paul the apostle under divine revelation said Jesus became poor and Paul understood what poverty in Israel and the Roman world meant

    Jesus preached about having food and clothing and that was it but the key was trusting the Father
    Jesus was not afraid to live his life totally dependant on the Father without needing any other comforts.
    At times he went into homes and ate well and was blessed with some extra things but that was not the norm.

    Jesus came from heaven where he was a rich King...he was not afraid of laying it all down and becoming poor on earth. It was not a big deal for him but it is a big deal for us
    Jesus was even richer than Donald Trump when he was in heaven and his walk in this world was certainly a matter of becoming poor relative to that. Even moreso than it would have been for you or me to suddenly have to live like he did.

  2. #22
    Senior Member Colonel's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2015
    Location
    Oslo, Norway
    Posts
    14,487
    Thanked: 5793
    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal TT View Post
    What about this one. There goes Jesus with his rich robe on but ....oh no..here comes the multitude of beggars and dirty people all reaching out to touch his clean white expensive rich exorbitant robe with their smelly hands.

    I'm sure Jesus turned around and was horrified at the state of his robe...because he really was either a very rich or middle class saviour who didn't want dirty beggars to mess up his beautiful robe
    Why would he be horrified at that, irrespective of his own standards of living ?

  3. #23
    Senior Member Cardinal TT's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2015
    Posts
    7,640
    Thanked: 5995
    Blog Entries
    2
    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    I suggest you answer my question :

    Please point out in what ways the middle class OF THAT DAY was living far better than Jesus did during his ministry

    Loaves and fishes is a very nutritious and filling meal by the way. Much preferable to the bowl of rice per day that they often eat in the rural third world today. They even had food left over after everyone had eaten their fill.
    Middle class would have homes and even property......the son of man had nowhere to lay his head

  4. The Following User Says Thank You to Cardinal TT For This Useful Post:

    curly sue (11-14-2015)

  5. #24
    Senior Member Cardinal TT's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2015
    Posts
    7,640
    Thanked: 5995
    Blog Entries
    2
    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    Why would he be horrified at that, irrespective of his own standards of living ?
    It means he didn't have a change of clothes because he was poor....he got sweaty, dusty, dirty and with others touching him by the thousands did he have a hotel to go that night to have a shower and change of clothes

  6. #25
    Senior Member Cardinal TT's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2015
    Posts
    7,640
    Thanked: 5995
    Blog Entries
    2
    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    Jesus was even richer than Donald Trump when he was in heaven and his walk in this world was certainly a matter of becoming poor relative to that. Even moreso than it would have been for you or me to suddenly have to live like he did.

    That's adding to the Word...he became poor and being relative to Trumps wealth is a red herring

    To be honest I commend you colonel as you certainly are better than many others but you still don't want Jesus to be living a hard tough life

  7. #26
    Senior Member Colonel's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2015
    Location
    Oslo, Norway
    Posts
    14,487
    Thanked: 5793
    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal TT View Post
    Middle class would have homes and even property......the son of man had nowhere to lay his head
    He may very well have owned no property even in his hometown. As compared to Paul, there is no indication that he had to work to sustain his ministry. Paul was poor at times, being affected by hunger and cold, even "nakedness" meaning he didn't have proper clothing. There is no account of Jesus being beaten down by these things, only that the crowds and various people were after him. There is no account of there being a lack of money, that their money box was empty. There is no account of Jesus not having food or drink for a full day. There is no account of him finding no shelter for the night. There is no account of him walking around in worn clothes, not having money to buy a new tunic when that time came.

  8. #27
    Senior Member Cardinal TT's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2015
    Posts
    7,640
    Thanked: 5995
    Blog Entries
    2
    The hyper prosperity gospel is a down right lie from hell. So may aspects are a total abomination in how they teach about Jesus.

    Rightly dividing the Word means that God can now prosper us because of what Jesus did but it does not mean preachers can twist the scripture and say lies about Jesus' lifestyle

  9. #28
    Senior Member Colonel's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2015
    Location
    Oslo, Norway
    Posts
    14,487
    Thanked: 5793
    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal TT View Post
    That's adding to the Word...he became poor and being relative to Trumps wealth is a red herring

    To be honest I commend you colonel as you certainly are better than many others but you still don't want Jesus to be living a hard tough life
    He did live a hard, tough life relative to what we who live in the modern, Western world, experience.

    He did not live a hard, tough life relative to what the poor in his environment experienced.

    He did not live a hard, tough life relative to what Paul experienced at times.

    He did not live a hard, tough life relative to what billions of people throughout the third world today experience. Beggars, day workers, substinence farmers who barely survive, de facto slaves of various kinds (there are probably a hundred million of those or more). There is nothing in the gospels that indicate that he did - only your interpretation of Isaiah 53 and statements by Paul, an interpretation that has no support in the actual gospel accounts.

  10. #29
    Senior Member Cardinal TT's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2015
    Posts
    7,640
    Thanked: 5995
    Blog Entries
    2
    Colonel when Jeus went into the wilderness for 40 days to fast did he take a huge water tank to keep the fresh cold water flowing. Did he have restaurants nearby. Did he have a washing machine and clothes drier.
    Did he bring one of those modern tents that has a shower, kitchen sink and comfy bed to sleep on

    He lived in abject poverty for those 40 days surviving on nothing but God and water and slept in caves

    Now it changed after the 40 days when he came back to Israel and it was more comfortable but he still lived a basic life

  11. #30
    Senior Member Colonel's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2015
    Location
    Oslo, Norway
    Posts
    14,487
    Thanked: 5793
    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal TT View Post
    Colonel when Jeus went into the wilderness for 40 days to fast did he take a huge water tank to keep the fresh cold water flowing. Did he have restaurants nearby. Did he have a washing machine and clothes drier.
    Did he bring one of those modern tents that has a shower, kitchen sink and comfy bed to sleep on

    He lived in abject poverty for those 40 days surviving on nothing but God and water and slept in caves

    Now it changed after the 40 days when he came back to Israel and it was more comfortable but he still lived a basic life
    He was fasting and praying for those 40 days, by choice. Abject poverty is when one wants to eat, drink, wear proper clothing and find shelter and cannot. There is no account in the gospels of Jesus suffering like that involuntarily. There are accounts of Paul suffering like that involuntarily. The closest we can get is Jesus being forced to stay out in the countryside or mountains because the crowds were searching for him. What shelter he had during the night then, is not clear.

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
Be prepared for breakdowns with an extended service plan for your Honda. Plans are available for Honda models including the Honda Civic.