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    Some RC beliefs.

    One of the ways of finding out what someone (or an organisation) believes is to look at what they read or are willing to put on paper. It's difficult to read something we don't believe in.


    So looking at what's posted in churches can be enlightening.

    Yesterday I had to visit two RC churches, one for the first time. Here's some interesting stuff I came across.

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    I only had one chance to snap this so the image isn't good. If you look at the bottom RH corner you'll see it contains Vatican II Constitution on Divine Revelation (Dei verbum) and Doctrinal Bible Index (which might be interesting).


    Here's an RC belief for you. What more needs to be said?

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    The text for this one can be found at 12 promises - Welcome His Heart - Sacred Heart Enthronement. The last one reads: "I promise you in the excessive mercy of My Heart that My all powerful love will grant to all those who receive Holy Communion on the First Fridays in nine consecutive months the grace of final perseverance (repentance in the photo ...FFO); they shall not die in My disgrace, nor without receiving their sacraments. My divine Heart shall be their safe refuge in this last moment."

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    Pretty much guaranteeing you heaven by works isn't it?


    Look how Mary's seen in these next ones: "Bright dawn of the new world, mother of the living".

    Holy Queen, Mother of Mercy, our life, our sweetness and our hope! ... O most gracious Advocate, ... O clement, O loving, O sweet Virgin Mary. (Catholic Prayers: Hail Holy Queen)

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    And some people still think that Catholics are "Christians".

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    Marian Catholics and Jesus oriented Catholics can be extremely different. A Mary devotee is highly unlikely to be born again, it's practically idol worship. I got a Catholic from Poland baptized in the Holy Spirit a few weeks ago here in Norway, she had believed in Jesus all her life. She was definitely not a Marian.

    Some doctrine related to Mary is optional within the RCC. Mary as co-redeemer along with Jesus hasn't been declared official doctrine but it's tolerated. That should tell you something about the internal divide.

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    Marian Catholics and Jesus oriented Catholics can be extremely different. A Mary devotee is highly unlikely to be born again, it's practically idol worship.
    A Church History video I watched recently said that the Mary worship started in Ephesus which had been the centre of the worship of Diana / Artemis. From what I've read the catholic church is willing to absorb most religious practices as long as the people will use Biblical names. Within a generation people then think it is Biblical.

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    And virginity cults

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    Marian Catholics and Jesus oriented Catholics can be extremely different. A Mary devotee is highly unlikely to be born again, it's practically idol worship. I got a Catholic from Poland baptized in the Holy Spirit a few weeks ago here in Norway, she had believed in Jesus all her life. She was definitely not a Marian.

    Some doctrine related to Mary is optional within the RCC. Mary as co-redeemer along with Jesus hasn't been declared official doctrine but it's tolerated. That should tell you something about the internal divide.
    I remember years ago knowing a Catholic woman who received the baptism of the Holy Spirit and claimed praying in tongues brought her closer to Mary. Yikes.

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    I remember years ago knowing a Catholic woman who received the baptism of the Holy Spirit and claimed praying in tongues brought her closer to Mary. Yikes.
    Yikes, indeed. So many are trapped in this religious darkness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bookman View Post
    I remember years ago knowing a Catholic woman who received the baptism of the Holy Spirit and claimed praying in tongues brought her closer to Mary. Yikes.
    There was a story about a Marian church that came to embrace the HSB then later they turned even more Marian, claiming that the HSB had brought them even closer to Mary. I can only guess as to whether they received something genuine then lost it becoming like the dog that returned to its vomit or if it was just a religious thing that never had anything to do with the reality of the HSB.

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    I remember years ago knowing a Catholic woman who received the baptism of the Holy Spirit and claimed praying in tongues brought her closer to Mary. Yikes.
    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    There was a story about a Marian church that came to embrace the HSB then later they turned even more Marian, claiming that the HSB had brought them even closer to Mary. I can only guess as to whether they received something genuine then lost it becoming like the dog that returned to its vomit or if it was just a religious thing that never had anything to do with the reality of the HSB.
    And things like that are why mainstream churches are weary of Charismatics.

    In John 16:13 Jesus says "But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come", yet you have people who claim to be HSB, spirit-led, saying things like the above; believing people who say they can control the HS by waving their coat around; claiming they can kill viruses with what they say; claiming that God wants you wealthy and to have an easy relaxed life; and from 2 weeks ago this (which I hope is not true):

    Listeners of Bethel Church's Transformation Now series were treated with a sight not usually seen when prophetess Marlene Barrett, in a bid to end racism within Bethel and the Ekklesia movement, whipped out a wizard staff- a sure sign that some tomfoolery was afoot. There, on stage, she led Bill Johnson and others through a ritual incantation to cast out the demon of racism by prophetically reenacting a scene from Lord of The Rings. No joke.

    Bethel Church Casts out Demon of Racism with Wizard Staff and Incantations

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    Quote Originally Posted by FunFromOz View Post
    And things like that are why mainstream churches are weary of Charismatics.

    In John 16:13 Jesus says "But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come", yet you have people who claim to be HSB, spirit-led, saying things like the above; believing people who say they can control the HS by waving their coat around; claiming they can kill viruses with what they say; claiming that God wants you wealthy and to have an easy relaxed life; and from 2 weeks ago this (which I hope is not true):

    Listeners of Bethel Church's Transformation Now series were treated with a sight not usually seen when prophetess Marlene Barrett, in a bid to end racism within Bethel and the Ekklesia movement, whipped out a wizard staff- a sure sign that some tomfoolery was afoot. There, on stage, she led Bill Johnson and others through a ritual incantation to cast out the demon of racism by prophetically reenacting a scene from Lord of The Rings. No joke.

    Bethel Church Casts out Demon of Racism with Wizard Staff and Incantations
    You started a new thread about the last link, why take it up here too, in a RCC thread ? Have you started a general anti-Charismatic campaign ?

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    You started a new thread about the last link, why take it up here too, in a RCC thread ? Have you started a general anti-Charismatic campaign ?
    Some might miss it here.

    Catholics are off the mark.
    Bethel is off the mark there too.

    Deception only comes from one place.

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