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    Scriptural support for an "old earth"

    New thread so as to not get off topic.


    While discussing gaps in genealogies in Scripture ( Incomplete genealogies in the Old Testament ) the words "old earth" came up again.

    Quote Originally Posted by curly sue View Post
    I can see the genealogy gaps pointing to an old earth. I am old earth myself however it isn't a hill I would die on!
    Naturally it's come up before in ( When was Adam created...gaps in geneologies? ) and ( Origins, the flood, ancient human migration ) and in one of these threads we find

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal TT View Post
    <snip>I believe in an old earth <snip>
    But what I find a lack of in these threads (there may be more threads, but the search option isn't all that hot) is Scripture. In fact in the above two threads I can only find one Scripture reference and it is right at the end of the thread ( Origins, the flood, ancient human migration ).

    Because of the lack of Scripture in previous posts I'd like to ask this (and if it's been addressed, my apologies, just point me where to go):

    Given we know that ONLY Scripture (i.e Genesis to Revelation) is God-breathed (NIV) (given by inspiration of God, KJV) and is useful for teaching (causing (someone) to learn or understand something), rebuking (expression of sharp disapproval or criticism), correcting (telling (someone) that they are mistaken) and training (develop and improve through instruction) in righteousness, if we only look at Scripture:


    1. What Scriptures can we use to support the idea of an "old earth"?
    2. How do these Scriptures support an "old earth"?
    3. On a scale of 1 to 10 how strong is that support?

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    Sorry, I can't support an old earth with scripture. Since I opinionate rather than debate, I'll have to pass on this one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by curly sue View Post
    Sorry, I can't support an old earth with scripture. Since I opinionate rather than debate, I'll have to pass on this one.
    That's gets a tick for being an honest answer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FunFromOz View Post

    1. What Scriptures can we use to support the idea of an "old earth"?
    God is very old

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    God is very old
    True, but "On a scale of 1 to 10 how strong is that support?" gets a zero.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FunFromOz View Post
    True, but "On a scale of 1 to 10 how strong is that support?" gets a zero.
    I don't even get a 0.5

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    I don't even get a 0.5
    no. But for the grace of God it wasn't -ve.

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    I am on my phone and don't have time to do the scripture references but I will do them later. But I will throw a few things out there with scripture reference is coming later.

    1. Genesis 1:1, God created the heavens and the earth. Genesis 1:2 and the earth was without form and void. And in Isaiah states that he formed the earth to be in habitable. So there is a gap between verse one and verse two where all of this was destroyed.

    2. It is either in Ezekiel or Isaiah or God is referencing I believe king Cyrus, but yet it's obvious he's not speaking about him but about Lucifer/Satan. He talks about him walking in the garden of Eden and every precious stone being his covering. This obviously would've had to been before Adam and Eve were created and before he fell.

    3. Obviously this isn't scripture, but the carbon dating puts the earth at millions of years old. I'm using this one like a lawyer would throw out something at a trial and the other lawyer would object and the judge would sustain it, and then tell the jury to disregard the last remark.

    But that is a couple off the top of my head without being on my laptop and being able to research it and post the Scriptures, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuego View Post
    2. It is either in Ezekiel or Isaiah or God is referencing I believe king Cyrus, but yet it's obvious he's not speaking about him but about Lucifer/Satan. He talks about him walking in the garden of Eden and every precious stone being his covering. This obviously would've had to been before Adam and Eve were created and before he fell.
    The craziest theory I've heard on the timeline of creation is that God created the angels and Lucifer within six literal days before the fall of man and that Lucifer managed to turn into Satan, completely of his own accord, within those six literal days. The very first place to start with the timeline is what we may call "initial creation". What was created independently of and before what is mentioned in the creation account.

    John 17:24 "Father, I desire that they also whom You gave Me may be with Me where I am, that they may behold My glory which You have given Me; for You loved Me before the foundation of the world.

    So the trinity existed before the foundation of the world.

    Acts 15:18 Known to God from eternity are all His works.

    People often assume that time began with day one of creation and then continues eternally but according to the Bible, time extends back in time eternally as well. From eternity, to eternity.

    But the trinity isn't a created being, what about those ?

    Job 38:4 "Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth?
    Tell Me, if you have understanding.
    5 Who determined its measurements?
    Surely you know!
    Or who stretched the line upon it?
    6 To what were its foundations fastened?
    Or who laid its cornerstone,
    7 When the morning stars sang together,
    And all the sons of God shouted for joy?

    The angels already existed when the foundations of the Earth were lain. There is no mention of them in the creation story for the simple reason that they already existed (before Genesis 1:1). They could well have existed since eternity (counting backwards) but we do not know. When did Lucifer fall and become Satan ? We do not know but in this case anything is indeed possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuego View Post
    1. Genesis 1:1, God created the heavens and the earth. Genesis 1:2 and the earth was without form and void. And in Isaiah states that he formed the earth to be in habitable. So there is a gap between verse one and verse two where all of this was destroyed.

    2. It is either in Ezekiel or Isaiah or God is referencing I believe king Cyrus, but yet it's obvious he's not speaking about him but about Lucifer/Satan. He talks about him walking in the garden of Eden and every precious stone being his covering. This obviously would've had to been before Adam and Eve were created and before he fell.
    As you brought in the lawyer remark, on a scale of 1 to 10 how strong is that support?

    PS. Ezekiel 28 is the reference.

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