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    Is Lack of Faith the Reason why Everyone isn't Healed

    We know Jesus died for our healing and we are supposed to exercise faith to receive healing.

    What happens to those who legitimately can't exercise faith like coma patients, mentally disabled people to the point they just don't understand, babies dying in hospital, brain damaged people, recently dead

    Isn't the onus now on believers to exercise their faith on behalf of those who can't

    It's easy to blame others for lack of faith, so why don't those who point the finger have amazing healings with those who do not have the mental ability.

    It must mean that they really don't have that sort of faith

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal TT View Post
    We know Jesus died for our healing and we are supposed to exercise faith to receive healing.

    What happens to those who legitimately can't exercise faith like coma patients, mentally disabled people to the point they just don't understand, babies dying in hospital, brain damaged people, recently dead

    Isn't the onus now on believers to exercise their faith on behalf of those who can't

    It's easy to blame others for lack of faith, so why don't those who point the finger have amazing healings with those who do not have the mental ability.

    It must mean that they really don't have that sort of faith

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    I don't think one can equate personal faith for healing to being able to get everyone else healed.

    For instance, Paul left Trophimus sick in Miletus. There is no indication that Trophimus was full of unbelief like the people Jesus was confronted with in his hometown. Does that mean that Paul didn't have faith for personal healing since he couldn't get Trophimus healed but had to leave him there ? I think not.

    Also, we know that the man in Lystra had faith for healing at the moment when he got healed because the passage states so in explicit terms. Does that mean that he was in a position to get everyone else healed since he himself had faith for personal healing ? Nope, it doesn't work that way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    Does that mean that he was in a position to get everyone else healed since he himself had faith for personal healing ? Nope, it doesn't work that way.
    You didn't answer my specific question as the example you gave were 2 men who had reasoning abilities to understand faith and healing

    I am specifically talking about those who cannot exercise faith.....how do these people get healed

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal TT View Post
    You didn't answer my specific question as the example you gave were 2 men who had reasoning abilities to understand faith and healing

    I am specifically talking about those who cannot exercise faith.....how do these people get healed
    I answered it in the sense that no, people who have faith for personal healing cannot automatically get other people healed, including those you mentioned.

    Who or what can get them healed ? There are the gifts of the Spirit, including gifts of healing, the power to work miracles, gift of faith. Sometimes God moves independently of his servants but according to their prayers. Or simply according to mercy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    I answered it in the sense that no, people who have faith for personal healing cannot automatically get other people healed, including those you mentioned.

    Who or what can get them healed ? There are the gifts of the Spirit, including gifts of healing, the power to work miracles, gift of faith. Sometimes God moves independently of his servants but according to their prayers. Or simply according to mercy.

    So why aren't those things happening on a large scale.....we rejoice at the healings that do happen but the truth is they are a drop in the bucket

    We know Jesus can heal every sickness so what are the answers to release healings to the multitudes who cannot exercise faith

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal TT View Post
    You didn't answer my specific question as the example you gave were 2 men who had reasoning abilities to understand faith and healing

    I am specifically talking about those who cannot exercise faith.....how do these people get healed
    I don't think that's a yes or no question.
    Let me ramble a bit.
    God knows the 'heart' of everyone, even those whose brains are functioning at a minimal level..He knows their soul.
    Now Jesus, our best example did not heal everyone...He healed everyone who came to Him..He was led where He went by the Spirit so we know the Spirit did not lead Him EVERYWHERE there were sick people...
    So the comatose person, IMHO does need to have a soul that has a flicker of faith...
    Now if they have a flicker is there a listening believer to pray for them?
    I would say yes they must have SOME level of faith in God even if their conscious mind can't express it.

    God sends missionaries into remote areas to share the gospel to people who have never heard it but IMHO someone in that group has a 'heart' open to God. Purhaps the Holy Spirit has spoken to them through nature or compassion or conviction but they don't know Jesus to act on that conviction.

    Faith for healing is faith in GOD not faith in healing. I think we are sometimes after the faith for healing when we should be after the faith IN GOD>>

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal TT View Post
    So why aren't those things happening on a large scale.....we rejoice at the healings that do happen but the truth is they are a drop in the bucket

    We know Jesus can heal every sickness so what are the answers to release healings to the multitudes who cannot exercise faith
    I believe the church is essentially backslid..

    In the prayer room yesterday I sensed the Lord prompting me to read the passage..lest a seed fall into the ground and die...and that His church is not doing that...we are not seeds planted and breaking forth to produce...the church generally peaking needs to humble MYSELF and pray and seek His face...that is all that is in the way of a sweeping move of His Spirit that enflames headed coals wherever it blows..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal TT View Post
    So why aren't those things happening on a large scale.....we rejoice at the healings that do happen but the truth is they are a drop in the bucket

    We know Jesus can heal every sickness so what are the answers to release healings to the multitudes who cannot exercise faith
    More sanctification and consecration, more prayer, more revelation, more power, more breakthrough power, more faith in relation to employing the power gifts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quest View Post
    I believe the church is essentially backslid..

    In the prayer room yesterday I sensed the Lord prompting me to read the passage..lest a seed fall into the ground and die...and that His church is not doing that...we are not seeds planted and breaking forth to produce...the church generally peaking needs to humble MYSELF and pray and seek His face...that is all that is in the way of a sweeping move of His Spirit that enflames headed coals wherever it blows..
    The seed planted is Jesus, upon his resurrection he produced many new seeds. John 12

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