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    Quote Originally Posted by Quest View Post
    You mean like revelation comes and truth is realized and then the confirmation and scriptural support arrive in hindsight? That happens to me from time to time..
    I don't know. I'm very careful with going too far with relating things outside of what I can cope with in a doctrinal sense. My experience with getting somewhere with the things of God is that there needs to be a good balance between the rigidity in beliefs and just flowing in truth and revelation in symbiosis with that. Smith Wigglesworth prophecied about that, that the greatest revival in the history of the world would involve a coming together of the Word and the Spirit. I believe very strongly in that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    I don't know. I'm very careful with going too far with relating things outside of what I can cope with in a doctrinal sense. My experience with getting somewhere with the things of God is that there needs to be a good balance between the rigidity in beliefs and just flowing in truth and revelation in symbiosis with that. Smith Wigglesworth prophecied about that, that the greatest revival in the history of the world would involve a coming together of the Word and the Spirit. I believe very strongly in that.
    I do too...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal TT View Post
    Isn't the onus now on believers to exercise their faith on behalf of those who can't
    Yes...

    James 5:14
    Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:
    And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.

    And, in addition to that... and person that is conscience can hear God's Word and choose to believe so they can assist in receiving their own healing.

    Saying someone is not able to believe for healing is like saying someone is not able to believe for salvation.

    No, we should not "blame" the person for not being healed while at the same time we do need to teach since faith comes by hearing and hearing comes by the Word of God and how shall they hear if they don't have a preacher to teach them?

    So, we need people to use their faith to pray for them and believe in their behalf... but, we also need people to teach them and for the person in need to believe along with those that are trying to help them.



    I don't think one can equate personal faith for healing to being able to get everyone else healed.
    Jesus said "lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover" (Mark 16:18)

    Our responsibility is to lay hands on the sick.
    Jesus provides recovery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LionHeart View Post
    Have more Faith. You can use your faith for the unsaved but for believers it is their responsibility to act in faith. Actually, it is easier to get the unsaved healed with your faith and gifts of the Spirit than getting believers healed !

    Firstly how do you 'have more faith'
    If its easier to get unsaved healed why don't believers go and empty hospitals

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    I am not saying this to anyone personally but talking in general

    Why haven't we heard of any faith preachers or faith disciples go into hospitals and heal all the babies dying or heal all those with brain injuries that can't think for themselves
    Over the last 3 decades there have probably been millions of sermons about faith and not one person has gone and healed the multitudes...has healing happened ... yes but the TALK has always been greater than the walk

    Even the greatest faith preachers have not been able to bring healing on a large scale to the unsaved


    We need to stop making excuses because the recipients didn't have 'the right thinking or belief or faith'
    The onus is on those who proclaim healing to make it happen in the real world

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal TT View Post
    Firstly how do you 'have more faith'
    Luke 17:5-10
    And the apostles said unto the Lord, Increase our faith.
    And the Lord said, If ye had faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye might say unto this sycamine tree, Be thou plucked up by the root, and be thou planted in the sea; and it should obey you.
    But which of you, having a servant plowing or feeding cattle, will say unto him by and by, when he is come from the field, Go and sit down to meat?
    And will not rather say unto him, Make ready wherewith I may sup, and gird thyself, and serve me, till I have eaten and drunken; and afterward thou shalt eat and drink?
    Doth he thank that servant because he did the things that were commanded him? I trow not.
    So likewise ye, when ye shall have done all those things which are commanded you, say, We are unprofitable servants: we have done that which was our duty to do.


    Apparently... you put it to work. Act on it.


    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal TT View Post
    If its easier to get unsaved healed why don't believers go and empty hospitals
    Some people do have ministries that experience pretty good success getting people healed in hospitals.

    The question though is like asking why don't all people get saved.

    Proverbs did say where there is no vision, the people perish and over in the NT the Lord said the enemy blinds the minds of men so they lack vision / understanding

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    Quote Originally Posted by Farm Truck View Post
    Some people do have ministries that experience pretty good success getting people healed in hospitals.

    The question though is like asking why don't all people get saved.

    Proverbs did say where there is no vision, the people perish and over in the NT the Lord said the enemy blinds the minds of men so they lack vision / understanding

    That is more excuses...the % of unsaved healed people is very very very tiny

    Its obvious to me that even faith people who believe in healing have in reality tiny faith.....most talk is empty words that do not produce large results

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal TT View Post
    That is more excuses...the % of unsaved healed people is very very very tiny

    Its obvious to me that even faith people who believe in healing have in reality tiny faith.....most talk is empty words that do not produce large results
    It takes the entire Body of Christ... not just one person.

    No one person can stand up and have the perfect success Jesus had... but even Jesus did not literally heal every person on planet earth when He was here.

    So, shall we say He was lacking in faith?

    If you are attacking God's desire to heal people by saying "why aren't all healed?" you'll need to take that before the Lord and ask Him to teach you which he will do over time.

    It's going to take the entire Word of God to answer the question. Meanwhile, this will generate strife between you and the Lord if you continue questioning what God's Word teaches about it being His will for all to be saved (yet some are not), and Jesus having paid for our sickness (even though not all receive healing).

    Sometimes we need to accept God's Word as being true even if we cannot see or understand how it could possibly be true.

    James 1:5-8
    If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.
    But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed.
    For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord.
    A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.


    All I can tell you is that I have learned how to not get sick... but I have yet to learn how to heal 100% of those I pray for.

    If I figure that out, I'll let you know. So far, the Lord reminds me that I'm not God and even Jesus did not heal every person on the planet while He was here and that does not mean He failed in any way not does it mean God's promises on this are any less true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Farm Truck View Post
    .... but I have yet to learn how to heal 100% of those I pray for.

    That is the answer I have been waiting to hear.....it's not about questioning God on my part

    I just want to hear from the faith preachers that they don't have all the answers...that they don't have as much faith as they presume

    Millions of sermons and 99.9% of the messages always try to deflect the responsibility of not being healed onto the sick person

    About time that faith preachers just plainly said.........My TALK has been GREATER than my WALK....I do not have the healing results I like to pretend I have
    I will no longer blame the sick for not being healed...yes we know some don't exercise their faith but for too long that has been the BIG excuse preachers use to justify their own lack of healing fruit

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal TT View Post
    That is the answer I have been waiting to hear.....it's not about questioning God on my part

    I just want to hear from the faith preachers that they don't have all the answers...that they don't have as much faith as they presume

    Millions of sermons and 99.9% of the messages always try to deflect the responsibility of not being healed onto the sick person

    About time that faith preachers just plainly said.........My TALK has been GREATER than my WALK....I do not have the healing results I like to pretend I have
    I will no longer blame the sick for not being healed...yes we know some don't exercise their faith but for too long that has been the BIG excuse preachers use to justify their own lack of healing fruit
    Apparently when Jesus was on earth... His talk was bigger than His walk as well.

    Jesus casts devils out of numerous people, yet He failed to cast devils out of the pharisees after He told them they were of the devil and would do the works of the devil.

    There is no record of every person on earth being totally healed while He was here.

    Yes, we should teach faith but nobody... including God Himself... can make people receive.

    Yes, there has been plenty of misuse of the gospel by preachers, but the Word of God does say lay hands on the sick and they shall recover and it does say we can have what we believe for except for when we ask to consume it on our own carnal desires.

    I don't think we should quit acting on God's Word, do you?

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