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07-29-2020, 07:15 AM
#101
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Originally Posted by
FunFromOz
Allow me to just address this first as if I need to you correctly on this one.
You said "His selection method is a different matter. He calls us to be formed into good pottery, by faith". What "the buck stops here" sign is suggesting is that you believe that the pivotal decision in you being good pottery is made by you. Is that what you believe?
I can't make myself good pottery nor promote myself as good pottery, which is what many men talk back to God about.
I can't even make God decide to accept me because I believe.
In fact, I can do nothing to make God change me into good pottery.
God himself has decided to accept those who believe - foolishness to the "wise" and a stumbling block to the religiously minded. Not because he has to but because he chooses to.
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07-29-2020, 07:53 AM
#102
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Originally Posted by
Colonel
I can't make myself good pottery nor promote myself as good pottery, which is what many men talk back to God about.
I can't even make God decide to accept me because I believe.
In fact, I can do nothing to make God change me into good pottery.
God himself has decided to accept those who believe - foolishness to the "wise" and a stumbling block to the religiously minded. Not because he has to but because he chooses to.
And this is what I'm asking. You say "God himself has decided to accept those who believe" and He does this "because he chooses to".
So if God accepts those who believe but you have to choose to believe, then isn't the pivotal decision in you being good pottery made by you?
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07-29-2020, 02:34 PM
#103
Senior Member
That's the way God wants it, deal with it.
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07-29-2020, 11:33 PM
#104
Banned
Originally Posted by
Colonel
That's the way God wants it, deal with it.
In the series I'm watching on Church History this came up yesterday.
After the Reformation the rcc realised that maybe it should change a bit and had the Council of Trent at which it finally decided how it understood justification. Here's a summary of what they believe:
God loves the lovely and for God to love you you need to become a different person. You are not loved because of the righteousness of Christ imputed to you but you are loved because Christ comes into you and changes you into a person who can be loved by God. You are justified by being changed into a different moral person by the grace of God.
Meanwhile, rather than dealing with it, I'll stick with the likes of Luther and Augustine and believe otherwise.
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