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    One Bible, two different views.

    We've discussed this enough elsewhere, but I just wanted to put here two totally different ways two different people see the same thing:

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    According to Calvinism, if God regenerates a person then nothing can stop that person from coming to faith, God's regenerating grace is irresistible. At the same time he cannot believe unless he has heard the gospel message but that is also sufficient.

    Likewise, if God does not regenerate a person first then nothing can lead that person to believe, according to Calvinism noone is capable of believing unless regenerated first.

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    we are all sinners. But once you were lost in your sin; in your rebellion against God; in your lawlessness; in your hate of God. You had no interest in Him and all you were entitled to was eternal punishment. To rot in the depths of hell forever. That is what you (and I) deserve A.

    Yet God in His mercy and grace, in love drew you to Himself. When you heard the Gospel He allowed you to understand it. He gave you the faith to believe and when you did He saved you.

    God's justice demands that the sinner be punished and no one has a right to complain when they are. At the same time we should rejoice that God has shown some of us mercy.

    By grace are you saved through faith, and that not of yourself, it is a gift of God.

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    A is not how I "see things", it's the basic mechanics of Calvinist theology and the topic we were discussing was the need for miracles to confirm the gospel, whether now or at the time of the apostles.

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    All men everywhere are drawn of God. He does not draw just those whom He chooses to be saved. All men are drawn to repentance and faiht in Christ. The deal is, most reject the drawing of the Holy Spirit. We preach the Gospel, in loving obedience, so as to be tools to draw men to Abba through His Son. He does not command those who will be saved and damn automatically those who He deems not. All stand condemned outside of Christ. All means all! The Father through the Holy Spirit draws us to the Son, and while many reject this drawing, some do not.

    Sorry, but the predestination argument does not hold spiritual water to me.

    Grace, Shalom, and Maranatha in Jesus name.
    William M. (Bill) Price

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    It's clear that the sovereign God proclaimed by the Reformed is quite content for his free will children to remain that way.

    Why then are Calvinists so determined to 'correct' us from our ignorance when the God they preach doesn't care or he would of ordained us to accept Reformed teaching.

    Of course there will be certain Calvinists who will say that is evidence that we are not truly saved
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    Quote Originally Posted by WMBillPrice View Post
    Sorry, but the predestination argument does not hold spiritual water to me.

    Yes it does


    One Bible, two different views.-leaky-bucket-jpg

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    All men everywhere are drawn of God.
    I know a great many people who claim they have never felt drawn to God. I believe them.

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    I think the "you need to revise your doctrine" comes from all doctrinal positions..

    at least be honest and own it.

    I've quit doing anything more than stating my position. If someone disagrees, eh.. it's no big thing and it's God's job to deal with who's got it right and who's got it wrong. I'm still going to think they need to revise and they're still going to think I need to.

    Eventually, when we're face to face with Him we're all going to be a bit surprised how we/them had some right and some wrong.

    I also don't think it will matter much at that point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Femme* View Post
    I think the "you need to revise your doctrine" comes from all doctrinal positions..

    at least be honest and own it.

    I've quit doing anything more than stating my position. If someone disagrees, eh.. it's no big thing and it's God's job to deal with who's got it right and who's got it wrong. I'm still going to think they need to revise and they're still going to think I need to.

    Eventually, when we're face to face with Him we're all going to be a bit surprised how we/them had some right and some wrong.

    I also don't think it will matter much at that point.
    I'm pretty sure that I'll find that I got some things wrong. I just wish that I already knew what that would be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bookman View Post
    I know a great many people who claim they have never felt drawn to God. I believe them.

    Does that mean that is God's Plan A for them???
    Last edited by Cardinal TT; 05-16-2020 at 09:14 PM.

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    Does that mean that is God's Plan A for them???
    Well we are told "The LORD has made everything for its own purpose, Even the wicked for the day of evil." (Prov 16:4)

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