A is not how I "see things", it's the basic mechanics of Calvinist theology and the topic we were discussing was the need for miracles to confirm the gospel, whether now or at the time of the apostles.
All men everywhere are drawn of God. He does not draw just those whom He chooses to be saved. All men are drawn to repentance and faiht in Christ. The deal is, most reject the drawing of the Holy Spirit. We preach the Gospel, in loving obedience, so as to be tools to draw men to Abba through His Son. He does not command those who will be saved and damn automatically those who He deems not. All stand condemned outside of Christ. All means all! The Father through the Holy Spirit draws us to the Son, and while many reject this drawing, some do not.
Sorry, but the predestination argument does not hold spiritual water to me.
Grace, Shalom, and Maranatha in Jesus name.
William M. (Bill) Price
Cardinal TT (05-16-2020), Nikos (05-18-2020)
It's clear that the sovereign God proclaimed by the Reformed is quite content for his free will children to remain that way.
Why then are Calvinists so determined to 'correct' us from our ignorance when the God they preach doesn't care or he would of ordained us to accept Reformed teaching.
Of course there will be certain Calvinists who will say that is evidence that we are not truly saved
Last edited by Cardinal TT; 05-16-2020 at 08:32 AM.
I know a great many people who claim they have never felt drawn to God. I believe them.All men everywhere are drawn of God.
I think the "you need to revise your doctrine" comes from all doctrinal positions..
at least be honest and own it.
I've quit doing anything more than stating my position. If someone disagrees, eh.. it's no big thing and it's God's job to deal with who's got it right and who's got it wrong. I'm still going to think they need to revise and they're still going to think I need to.
Eventually, when we're face to face with Him we're all going to be a bit surprised how we/them had some right and some wrong.
I also don't think it will matter much at that point.