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    Why hasn't someone healed Ravi yet?

    I got a phone call this morning. I was called out on Friday night and we didn't do something of importance. This is embarrassing to my company but fortunately it can be contained.

    However I put my name down to be called-out; I accept payment when I am called-out; and it was the 96th time I'd been called-out. I should know what to do by now. There are probably only two things we HAVE to do and this was one of them. I am an embarrassment to my colleagues and the company.

    Anyway I posted the following elsewhere but TT thought the place inappropriate. So here it is again with additions/modifications. The above is a lead-in to it.


    Just saw this on FB.

    Ravi has been battling the cancer since March.

    There has been plenty of time.

    Why hasn't someone healed Ravi yet?-capture-jpg

    We know of people who say they are Apostles or Prophets, or say they have miraculous powers. Yes this guy sounds a bit sarcastic, but he has a valid question, because when it comes to the crunch; when it is time for someone to step up to mark; where the rubber hits road, these guys are nowhere to be seen.

    We have people making claims publicly about what they can do, but when a perfect opportunity arises to demonstrate those claims no one does. Is that not a cause of major public embarrassment to the Church?

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    Are they saying God is the healer and he wants his church to pray in faith and expect healing

    or

    Are they saying they can heal everyone with God's power at will or are the detractors assuming they are saying this

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    The OP sounds exactly like anti-charismatics I talked to a lot on some other site 15-20 years ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal TT View Post
    Are they saying God is the healer and he wants his church to pray in faith and expect healing
    God can physically heal us, yes. James tells us "is anyone among you sick? Then he must call for the elders of the church and they are to pray over him"

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal TT View Post
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    Are they saying they can heal everyone with God's power at will or are the detractors assuming they are saying this
    No, the questions comes because there are people saying they are filling the Biblical office of Prophet and Apostle. There are others who claim to have healing ministries.

    We have a record of Peter healing someone in Acts 3; many in Acts 5; and two (who are named) in Acts 9. He also killed a couple in Acts 5.

    We have a record of Paul healing someone in Acts 14; many in Acts 19; in Acts 20 he raised someone from the dead; and in Acts 28.

    There are other things as well, we see signs in Acts 2, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 14 and 15.

    All that is being asked is that if people hold these offices then please do what the Bible said that the people with these offices did. As to the question can (they) heal everyone with God's power at will, well we don't see any failures from Peter and Paul and the other Apostles do we?

    So TT it's not about what people say but simply getting back to what the Bible says.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FunFromOz View Post
    God can physically heal us, yes. James tells us "is anyone among you sick? Then he must call for the elders of the church and they are to pray over him"


    No, the questions comes because there are people saying they are filling the Biblical office of Prophet and Apostle. There are others who claim to have healing ministries.

    We have a record of Peter healing someone in Acts 3; many in Acts 5; and two (who are named) in Acts 9. He also killed a couple in Acts 5.

    We have a record of Paul healing someone in Acts 14; many in Acts 19; in Acts 20 he raised someone from the dead; and in Acts 28.

    There are other things as well, we see signs in Acts 2, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 14 and 15.

    All that is being asked is that if people hold these offices then please do what the Bible said that the people with these offices did. As to the question can (they) heal everyone with God's power at will, well we don't see any failures from Peter and Paul and the other Apostles do we?

    So TT it's not about what people say but simply getting back to what the Bible says.
    Actually, every true disciple of Jesus is supposed to lay hands on the sick. The apostles and prophets are supposed to equip the saints for the work of the ministry.

    And no, the church as a whole isn't fulfilling the Great Commission.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FunFromOz View Post
    God can physically heal us, yes. James tells us "is anyone among you sick? Then he must call for the elders of the church and they are to pray over him"


    No, the questions comes because there are people saying they are filling the Biblical office of Prophet and Apostle. There are others who claim to have healing ministries.

    We have a record of Peter healing someone in Acts 3; many in Acts 5; and two (who are named) in Acts 9. He also killed a couple in Acts 5.

    We have a record of Paul healing someone in Acts 14; many in Acts 19; in Acts 20 he raised someone from the dead; and in Acts 28.

    There are other things as well, we see signs in Acts 2, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 14 and 15.

    All that is being asked is that if people hold these offices then please do what the Bible said that the people with these offices did. As to the question can (they) heal everyone with God's power at will, well we don't see any failures from Peter and Paul and the other Apostles do we?

    So TT it's not about what people say but simply getting back to what the Bible says.
    That's ridiculously anti-charismatic, elevating the apostles of the Bible to where they infallibly work miracles at will. Even Jesus wanted to know what people wanted from him before healing them and in Nazareth he couldn't heal more than a few because of their unbelief. In Acts Paul encounters a cripple who was healed because the cripple himself had faith for healing. That would have been redundant if Paul worked miracles at will.
    You sound exactly like the worst types.

    Are you a :

    1) Anti-charismatic in disguise
    2) A troll
    3) What ?

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    Here's an example of an apostle failing to heal someone who was sick :

    2 Tim 4:19 Greet Prisca and Aquila, and the household of Onesiphorus.
    20 Erastus stayed in Corinth, but Trophimus I have left in Miletus sick.
    21 Do your utmost to come before winter. Eubulus greets you, as well as Pudens, Linus, Claudia, and all the brethren.

    That was one of Paul's coworkers whom he had to leave behind because he was sick. Given the logistical situation of that time that amounted to a problem not only for Trophimus but also for the ministry - they would be separated for a long time. If Trophimus even survived, sickness was typically far deadlier back then than it is now.

    Same thing here :

    Phil 2:25 Yet I considered it necessary to send to you Epaphroditus, my brother, fellow worker, and fellow soldier, but your messenger and the one who ministered to my need;
    26 since he was longing for you all, and was distressed because you had heard that he was sick.
    27 For indeed he was sick almost unto death; but God had mercy on him, and not only on him but on me also, lest I should have sorrow upon sorrow.
    28 Therefore I sent him the more eagerly, that when you see him again you may rejoice, and I may be less sorrowful.
    29 Receive him therefore in the Lord with all gladness, and hold such men in esteem;
    30 because for the work of Christ he came close to death, not regarding his life, to supply what was lacking in your service toward me.

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    Lots on at the moment Colonel so I'll probably be slow answering this
    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    That's ridiculously anti-charismatic, elevating the apostles of the Bible to where they infallibly work miracles at will.
    I've never intended to suggest that Colonel. All I intended to say is that Peter and Paul healed a number of people and the other Apostles performed signs as well.

    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    Even Jesus ... couldn't heal more than a few because of their unbelief.
    Actually Colonel in the incident I looked up the Bible (Matt 13:58) says "And He did not do many miracles there because of their unbelief" as opposed to could not. There's a big difference.

    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    Are you a :

    1) Anti-charismatic in disguise
    2) A troll
    3) What ?
    1) Nope
    2) Nope
    3) Yep, one of those

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    Several gospels tell the same story :

    Mark 6:5 Now He could do no mighty work there, except that He laid His hands on a few sick people and healed them.

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