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    Manicheanism Influences in Augustinian Calvinism

    How Micromanaged Divine Determinism (MDD) infiltrated Christianity. Dr. Ken Wilson.
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    It's so much easier to systemize for the human mind. God is however bigger than our human mind, not smaller than it. God is the one who created math to use an example, math can be simple but also extremely complex in a beautiful way. God is bigger than that too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonathan david View Post
    How Micromanaged Divine Determinism (MDD) infiltrated Christianity. Dr. Ken Wilson.
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    Micromanaged Divine Determinism. Too many syllables for me. But doesn't that just boil down to the idea of a perfect, holy, just, all knowing and all powerful God actually deciding for Himself what would happen in HIS universe which HE decided to create for HIS glory being unacceptable to some?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FunFromOz View Post
    Micromanaged Divine Determinism. Too many syllables for me. But doesn't that just boil down to the idea of a perfect, holy, just, all knowing and all powerful God actually deciding for Himself what would happen in HIS universe which HE decided to create for HIS glory being unacceptable to some?

    Yes he decided to create this universe according to scripture not Calvin and his distorted views

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    Yes he decided to create this universe according to scripture not Calvin and his distorted views
    From what you just said it seems to me that you think that it is not Scriptural to say that this is God's universe which God decided to create for God's glory.

    Is that correct?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FunFromOz View Post
    From what you just said it seems to me that you think that it is not Scriptural to say that this is God's universe which God decided to create for God's glory.

    Is that correct?

    You're babbling now

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    You're babbling now
    Then I'll try again.

    Does Scripture tell us that:


    1. The universe belongs to God?
    2. That He created it?
    3. That it exists for His glory?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FunFromOz View Post
    Then I'll try again.

    Does Scripture tell us that:


    1. The universe belongs to God?
    2. That He created it?
    3. That it exists for His glory?

    Yes but Calvinism doesn't stop there - it adds dross and false teaching

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    Quote Originally Posted by FunFromOz View Post
    Micromanaged Divine Determinism. Too many syllables for me. But doesn't that just boil down to the idea of a perfect, holy, just, all knowing and all powerful God actually deciding for Himself what would happen in HIS universe which HE decided to create for HIS glory being unacceptable to some?
    Nobody has a problem with God being all those things. Its the embedded philosophy that causes issues in the particulars.

    Ken Wilson's dissertation shows how much Manicheism, Gnosticism and Stoicism influenced Augustine. After 412 AD, Augustine did a massive shift toward these philosophies (away from Freewill). He established a soteriological view that Wilson calls DUPIED = divine unilateral determinism of eternal destinies.

    Enter Calvin, a few centuries later, who heavily aligns with Augustine on this heavily deterministic philosophical view. It is thought by WIlson, that the reason Augustine shifted to extreme determinism was his debates with Pelagious. This had the effect of his view "crossing the line" in his effort to distance himself from Pelagius position.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal TT View Post
    Yes but Calvinism doesn't stop there - it adds dross and false teaching
    Words have meaning TT and meanings need to be explained. Why do you think Christ put teachers in the Church?

    An interesting book to read is https://www.amazon.com.au/gp/product/B0086VUDUW speaking about Death, Devil, Election, Faith, Fellowship, Grace, Holiness, Justification, Lord, Mediator, Mortification, Reconciliation, Regeneration, Revelation, Sanctification, Scripture, Sin & World. Over 10 pages on each. And it doesn't even get onto Propitiation.

    But back to the topic, would you say then that:

    The statement that things are the way they are because that is how God choose them to be, is false, but
    The statement that things are the way they are because that is how man choose them to be, is true?

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