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    Quote Originally Posted by FunFromOz View Post
    Words have meaning TT and meanings need to be explained. Why do you think Christ put teachers in the Church?

    I agree with biblical teachers but you have to discern the truth from the dross teaching of Calvinistic preachers



    Definition of dross

    1 metallurgy : the scum or unwanted material that forms on the surface of molten metal

    2 : waste or foreign matter : impurity

    3 : something that is base , trivial, or inferior

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal TT View Post
    I agree with biblical teachers but you have to discern the truth from the dross teaching of Calvinistic preachers
    You have to discern the dross teachings of all preachers TT.

    One of the posts on this forum shows a non-Calvinist preacher claiming to have destroyed the C-19 virus nearly a month ago. Since then nearly 800,000 people in the USA (worldwide it's been about 2,000,000) have got the virus and about 50,000 have died (worldwide it's been about 160,000).

    Yep. Discern the truth from the dross TT.

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    You have the nerve to judge non Calvinists and proclaim judgements with your self righteous attitude but too gutless to confront your Calvinist preaching idols like JM.

    That is the definition of hypocrisy
    At least I am not a hypocrite as members here will testify to my many comments disagreeing strongly with fellow Arminian believing pentes/charismatics.

    Be a righteous man who judges honestly not with partiality

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal TT View Post
    You have the nerve to judge non Calvinists and proclaim judgements with your self righteous attitude but too gutless to confront your Calvinist preaching idols like JM.

    That is the definition of hypocrisy
    At least I am not a hypocrite as members here will testify to my many comments disagreeing strongly with fellow Armenian believing pentes/charismatics.

    Be a righteous man who judges honestly not with partiality
    If FFO had been an anti-Charismatic or at least a non-Charismatic then it would be much easier to understand his tendency to go easy on John MacArthur.

    FFO, do you believe in miraculous healings beyond what medical science is even capable of performing ? Do you believe in the manifestation of glory clouds that are, in detail, experienced the same way by different people even though some of them have no prior experience with the phenomenon ? I'm merely referring to my own, recent experiences as a Charismatic.

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    I was looking for this and found it.

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    FFO, do you believe in miraculous healings beyond what medical science is even capable of performing ?
    Jesus did some so yes.
    Also I was in a prayer meeting once where a boy, who was in my daughter's class, who had a degenerating knee, was prayed for and ran around the church.
    I also know a guy who had MS get up out of his wheel chair and walk.
    But ...
    The evidence of the boy's initial condition had been thrown away ... (haven't seen the family for decades)
    The guy's MS is now back 20+ years later.
    So ...
    Spiritually they proved that the message preached was from God didn't they? I'd expect them to be in that context and the exception rather than the rule.
    The problem with so called healings is they're not. People seem to be healed for a day or two but then aren't. We don't see that in Scripture do we?

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    Do you believe in the manifestation of glory clouds that are, in detail, experienced the same way by different people even though some of them have no prior experience with the phenomenon ?
    Was the glory cloud experienced anywhere in Scripture but in relation to the Tabernacle / temple? And then on very special occasions? So no I wouldn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FunFromOz View Post
    I was looking for this and found it.
    The problem with so called healings is they're not. People seem to be healed for a day or two but then aren't. We don't see that in Scripture do we?
    The healing I'm talking about happened gradually between june and october last year and the person remains completely healed. It involved a creative miracle that partially reconstructed her mind which had been damaged since childhood. Plus a few signs and very specific words of knowledge about her childhood that were involved in the healing process.

    Was the glory cloud experienced anywhere in Scripture but in relation to the Tabernacle / temple? And then on very special occasions? So no I wouldn't.
    Jesus' transfiguration is an example. 2 Cor 3 talks about the norm being that the glory of our ministry should be greater than that of Moses whose face shone after being in a similar cloud. It's implicit in relation to various spiritual experiences including Paul's on the road to Damascus, John's vision of Jesus in Revelation 1 and so on. Basically it's the presence and glory of God which is as scriptural in NT terms as anything could get.

    The family I mentioned had all experienced the glory cloud the same way I did even though I didn't mention it with one single word until three weeks later.

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    Here's a video documentary of Todd White and a team ministering healing at a commercial basketball game a few years ago :

    Just listen to what people say themselves as they are ministered to. There are dozens of similar videos on the same page.



    Guy saved from drugs and suicide out on the street, then he shows up at the next meeting held by Todd White at Bethel Atlanta (which is Fuego's home church and I think he was present in that meeting himself) :


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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    Here's a video documentary of Todd White and a team ministering healing at a commercial basketball game a few years ago :

    Just listen to what people say themselves as they are ministered to. There are dozens of similar videos on the same page.



    Guy saved from drugs and suicide out on the street, then he shows up at the next meeting held by Todd White at Bethel Atlanta (which is Fuego's home church and I think he was present in that meeting himself) :
    Thanks.

    Haven't had time to watch them yet, but do they include just before and soon after, verifiable, evidence of the "illness" and that the person has genuine been healed, and that the healing remains?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    The healing I'm talking about happened gradually between june and october last year and the person remains completely healed. It involved a creative miracle that partially reconstructed her mind which had been damaged since childhood. Plus a few signs and very specific words of knowledge about her childhood that were involved in the healing process.
    I could say of over time healing to myself so yes, I do believe in such things.

    Thing is, as far as I know we don't have any Bible examples to measure them against so I think we have to be careful sharing what happened.

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    Anybody followed the video discussion yet? :)

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