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    Quote Originally Posted by victoryword View Post
    I think you are a TROLL.
    I think he's a Calvinist who enjoys loud arguments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by victoryword View Post
    I think you are a TROLL.
    He's actually a very long time member. Just hasn't been around for some time.

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    I don't think Tozer was a Calvinist. He was Christian Missionary Alliance (founded by A.B. Simpson). Found this online:

    Tozer was completely anticessationist; just this last week I included a Tozer quote saying as much. Tozer saw that the Church of AD 70 and the church of AD 2005 are to be the same Church in power, giftings, and so on. Yet cessationists quote Tozer as if there were no issue with his opposition to their position.

    Tozer was not a proponent of Calvinism; I can't remember him even mentioning that word in anything he's written, yet Calvinists seem to love him, nonetheless.

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    Tozer is a deep thinker. I have read Tozer for years and am still trying to get the meat of his thoughts. Since Bible College days he has been one of my favorite writers. I have ministered in many CMA churches.

    Here is a quote from Tozer that shows he is not a Calvinist:

    "God sovereignly decreed that man should be free to exercise moral choice, and man from the beginning has fulfilled that decree by making his choice between good and evil. When he chooses to do evil, he does not thereby countervail the sovereign will of God but fulfills it, inasmuch as the eternal decree decided not which choice the man should make but that he should be free to make it. If in His absolute freedom God has willed to give man limited freedom, who is there to stay His hand or say, 'What doest thou?' Man's will is free because God is sovereign. A God less than sovereign could not bestow moral freedom upon His creatures. He would be afraid to do so."

    - A.W. Tozer, The Knowledge of the Holy: The Attributes of God

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    John MacArthur teaches Lordship Salvation. He has actually stated that salvation is based on what you do. He has also said that you could take the mark of the beast and still be saved. He has also said that blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is attributing the work of the devil to the Holy Spirit. He also says that Mark stopped writing at verse 8 in Mark chapter 16. He also says that Jesus didn't die for everybody.
    Todd Friel isn't really a teacher. He's a broadcaster who promotes people he likes and attacks people he doesn't like.
    R. C. Sproul believed in infant baptism, and called Arminianism "semi-Pelagianism". When asked if an Arminian could be saved his response was "barely".
    Paul Washer isn't really a teacher, although he does promote Lordship Salvation. He's a missionary and holiness preacher who's really big on condemnation.
    Phil Johnson is Johnny Mac's version of Ed MacMahon. He's a well compensated (and well fed) cheerleader for all things MacArthur.
    Ray Comfort says you have to use the Ten Commandments when you preach the gospel, and you need to tell people to repent of their sins in order to be saved.
    Vodie Baucham doesn't believe that Jesus died for everybody.
    James White doesn't believe that Jesus died for everybody.
    Justin Peters doesn't believe that Jesus died for everybody. He also believes that God only speaks through the Bible, and says that I Cor. 14:2 is referring to a pagan god.
    Costi Hinn doesn't believe that Jesus died for everybody. His claim to fame is he's Benny Hinn's nephew. Without that calling card nobody in the Reformed world would have ever given a holy hoot what he has to say about anything, considering his lack of credentials.
    Steve Lawson doesn't believe that Jesus died for everybody.
    Mark Spence works for Ray Comfort. Beyond that I don't know anything about him, but I assume that he just repeats what Ray says.
    John Piper says that God ordained 9/11 and every act of evil that has ever taken place, and it's all for His glory.
    H. B. Charles Jr. is a Calvinist. Don't know anything about him other than that.
    Charles Spurgeon was a great preacher with some good ideas and some nutty ideas.
    A. W. Tozer was a pretty good teacher.

    Certainly there's some bad teaching coming from those on the right, but none of them teach that Jesus didn't die for everybody, that God ordains evil, or that your works contribute to your salvation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by victoryword View Post
    I think you are a TROLL.
    A troll, according to the Cambridge dictionary, leaves an insulting or offensive message on the internet in order to upset someone, or to get attention or cause trouble. That is not my intention.

    (I'm glad I didn't respond yesterday. Maybe you'll understand that later.)

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    But I would like to say that while John MacArthur may be able to lead someone to Christ, his teaching on "Strange Fire" is down right heresy hunting.
    sent me off on a tangent and I watched a bit (4 hours) of YouTube yesterday.

    But first some history which I suspect most in the Church don't know. If they do they haven't learnt from it. But if you look at history the people of God go through good times and bad times. We see it in Israel before the kings and Judah after the split. Most of the kings are evil; all Israel's were.

    And the same happens in the church. Moving away from God is why we needed the Reformation. It was happening again in the mid 1800's, and a Robert Schindler is said to have noted that if we trace the state of evangelicalism from the 1600's to the 1800's we note that every revival of true evangelical faith has been followed by a generation or two by a drift away from sound doctrine. It is consistent in history, we have a move of God then we drift away.

    So because of A.J.'s post I watched

    Video
    (which wasn't actually from the conference)

    Then a panel discussion


    A response (which, I won't link to yet, came up so I watched it)

    Then a second panel


    And a second response.

    John MacArthur is asking some fairly basic questions. If the Charismatic movement is of God, then why is what is happening in those churches not lined up with what we see in the Word of God? In fact, why are some of the things that happen lining up with what happens in pagan religions?

    Now I may look for some better responses. The two that automatically came up on YouTube in a way mirror the issue. MacArthur and his guest's responses compared things to what the Bible says. The responses I watched talked about John MacArthur, and who his dad was, and said something like him being a fifth cousin of General Doug MacArthur which may explain why he's a grump (actually it didn't exactly say that, but something close) but John's the focus of the response. We see images of people dancing the hokey-pokey and claiming its worship; we see people running around the church like chooks with their heads cut off; and John asked "Is this Biblical?" and the response we get is "Well John is related to ...". The question isn't answered, let alone if the answer is claimed to be a "Yes", demonstrated to be Biblical.

    I heard a talk recently (yes a talk, not a sermon) by a guy who was talking about God being "generational". I guess he was trying to justify where his church was. He was/is totally ignorant of the idea that (just like businesses and other things not lasting) "every revival of true evangelical faith has been followed by a generation or two by a drift away from sound doctrine". His has. It's now dead. But he's a good speaker. He says things that make you comfortable. He might stay around for a while yet.

    The pope probably thought Martin Luther was a troll. If he had listened that pope (and many catholics) may not be now in hell.

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    This list is generally your typical anti-Charismatic "Enemies List." Often used by the conservative reformed folks to create sectarian division.

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    Agree Tozer was not Calvinist, as he believed in free will. He mentions Prevenient Grace, so I'll take it he had a basic Arminian outlook.

    But it is possible he was a Provisionists when it came down to it.

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    The guy heading up the panel in the last video is one of the most vitriol-filled people I've ever heard in other videos with those he doesn't agree with. I don't know whether it's this video or not but there is one where they're all laughing at some of the worship the charismatics do and making fun of how they do it. All in the name of God. It's sad.

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