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    "The heretical Word of Faith teaching that Jesus died in Hell... became sin and was born again as a glorified man, that's a heretical belief that I categorically reject."

    — Dr. Michael Brown on The Dividing Line Jan. 2, 2018

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    Listened to the video and agree with it but couldn't find where Dr. Brown said ..

    "The heretical Word of Faith teaching that Jesus died in Hell... became sin and was born again as a glorified man, that's a heretical belief that I categorically reject."

    Is it stated somewhere else???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal TT View Post
    Listened to the video and agree with it but couldn't find where Dr. Brown said ..

    "The heretical Word of Faith teaching that Jesus died in Hell... became sin and was born again as a glorified man, that's a heretical belief that I categorically reject."

    Is it stated somewhere else???
    Yes it was stated on a website I came across. Here it is:

    Dr. Michael Brown, Here's Some Heresy Information For Your Upcoming Book — Pirate Christian Media

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikos View Post

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikos View Post
    "The heretical Word of Faith teaching that Jesus died in Hell... became sin and was born again as a glorified man, that's a heretical belief that I categorically reject."

    — Dr. Michael Brown on The Dividing Line Jan. 2, 2018

    In this 10 min video it's presented that the blood of Christ saves (which I've always held as sacred sound doctrine). Therefore, I have to rely on the blood of Jesus that was shed for me for basis of my salvation rather than any other preconceived idea's presented after the cross that only leads to speculation.

    If you put God First, you have Him at Last.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smitty View Post
    In this 10 min video it's presented that the blood of Christ saves (which I've always held as sacred sound doctrine). Therefore, I have to rely on the blood of Jesus that was shed for me for basis of my salvation rather than any other preconceived idea's presented after the cross that only leads to speculation.

    In the Bible the blood represents the soul of the one sacrificed. Jesus' soul was poured out unto death.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    In the Bible the blood represents the soul of the one sacrificed. Jesus' soul was poured out unto death.
    I fully agree with the speaker on the video and his comments on the It Is Finished Doctrine. I believe we are saved by and through and with the precious Blood of Jesus that was poured out on the cross. But I must be clear that although I am not Word of Faith, I am not Baptist either. I am a full-Gospel Pentecostal believer. I believe they are the closest to the Scriptures that I have found.

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    I don't think Bill Johnson was teaching that Jesus descended into hell and was then born again as some teach it. He seems to be putting the emphasis on the birth in Bethlehem and the Resurrection being a rebirth (Acts 13:33)
    Having said that, here's a video I did on the subject.

    As far as I can tell, you don't discuss the role of the resurrection of Jesus in securing redemption. You say that it was finished or "payed in full" when Jesus died on the cross and then he released the OT saints who were in Paradise and then what ? Without his overcoming death and resurrecting again there would be no new birth and consequently no eternal salvation.

    In Jewish thinking a physical resurrection from the dead was absolutely essential in having overcome sin and its effects fully. Going to heaven to spend "afterlife" there for eternity was not what they were waiting for.

    This is the main part of the first gospel message preached on Pentecost :

    Acts 2:22 "Men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a Man attested by God to you by miracles, wonders, and signs which God did through Him in your midst, as you yourselves also know—
    23 Him, being delivered by the determined purpose and foreknowledge of God, you have taken by lawless hands, have crucified, and put to death;
    24 whom God raised up, having loosed the pains of death, because it was not possible that He should be held by it.

    The remainder of the sermon, verses 25-39, basically expound on verse 24.

    Verses 23 and 24 discuss the topic at hand, your entire video fits into verse 23 and leaves out what verse 24 is discussing.

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    This debate always reminds me of the hierarchy of scripture vs Spirit....

    Yes, Jesus paid the price for sin with His shed blood...but scripture also states had He not 'rose from the dead' we would still be in our sins.

    Why can't we just accept both are true?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    As far as I can tell, you don't discuss the role of the resurrection of Jesus in securing redemption. You say that it was finished or "payed in full" when Jesus died on the cross and then he released the OT saints who were in Paradise and then what ? Without his overcoming death and resurrecting again there would be no new birth and consequently no eternal salvation.

    In Jewish thinking a physical resurrection from the dead was absolutely essential in having overcome sin and its effects fully. Going to heaven to spend "afterlife" there for eternity was not what they were waiting for.

    This is the main part of the first gospel message preached on Pentecost :

    Acts 2:22 "Men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a Man attested by God to you by miracles, wonders, and signs which God did through Him in your midst, as you yourselves also know—
    23 Him, being delivered by the determined purpose and foreknowledge of God, you have taken by lawless hands, have crucified, and put to death;
    24 whom God raised up, having loosed the pains of death, because it was not possible that He should be held by it.

    The remainder of the sermon, verses 25-39, basically expound on verse 24.

    Verses 23 and 24 discuss the topic at hand, your entire video fits into verse 23 and leaves out what verse 24 is discussing.
    That's my problem with people interpreting 'it is finished' meaning redemption because it wasn't finished yet. It was not complete until he was raised from the dead and put his blood on the heavenly mercy seat. So what did happen when he was in the 'heart of the earth'? Just read Jonah's prophecy. It is a prophecy of Jesus in torment in hell IMO. Pretty obvious to me. Belly of the whale/heart of the earth, Jesus used those as synonymous terms. That isn't describing the cross.

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