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    I've heard some describe hell as the county jail and the lake of fire as the penitentiary. But the point is the Bible does talk about fire.
    And no one getting an early release date.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuego View Post
    I've heard some describe hell as the county jail and the lake of fire as the penitentiary. But the point is the Bible does talk about fire.
    You make it sound like the latter is merely bigger and longer lasting than the former. But in Revelation 20 Hades is cast into the lake of fire along with everything that is sinful including Death which means that Hades itself will burn in the lake of fire for eternity. Their nature is clearly not the same. We have two different categories that are at odds with each other :

    Sinners, devils, death, Hades

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    the lake of fire

    Rev 20:10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
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    14 Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
    15 And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.

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    You make it sound like the latter is merely bigger and longer lasting than the former.
    That's what it seems to imply

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    Did the rich man ask Abraham to turn down the flames or to ask God to turn down the flames ? No and the reason why is obviously that the flames were intrinsic to that department of Hades (that's the Greek term used in this particular passage) and had nothing to do with God. Death doesn't have anything to do with God either. So when sinners, devils, Hades (including its flames) and Death are all cast into the lake of fire then God is dealing with all those things according to justice. Does that imply that things end well for those contained in the lake of fire ? No, it just means that the nature of this final judgment is different to what the dead experienced previously.

    Isa 33:4 The sinners in Zion are afraid; Fearfulness has seized the hypocrites: "Who among us shall dwell with the devouring fire? Who among us shall dwell with everlasting burnings?"

    Hebrews 10:30 For we know Him who said, "Vengeance is Mine, I will repay," says the Lord. And again, "The Lord will judge His people."
    31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

    Some people want God to be super nice no matter what and if sinners are harmed then it's because He cannot but permit others to harm them. That's not what a Judge does. A Judge sees to that righteous judgment is executed upon those who have been sentenced. And that is what the lake of fire is about.
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    Still no response from Ezekiel to the three questions that I previously posed to Smitty. It seems neither Smitty nor Ezekiel are willing to reason on scripture by answering those three questions, as follows:

    QUESTION #1 TO EZEKIEL: The rich man asked for a drop of water to be applied to his tongue, despite the fact he was supposedly burning up in literal flames. What good is a drop of water to someone whose body is burning up?


    QUESTION #2 TO EZEKIEL: How is a drop of water supposed to survive evaporation from the heat of the flames and manage to reach the Rich Man from heaven all the way to the opposite location of hell (here on earth)?


    QUESTION #3 TO EZEKIEL: Are we to believe that hell and heaven are within talking distance, so as to accommodate the conversation between the Rich Man (who was in hell/hades on earth) and Abraham (who was in heaven)?


    In fact, I asked Ezekiel a fourth question based upon scripture at Romans, as follows:

    "For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord." (Romans 6:23 -- New International Version)


    QUESTION #4 TO EZEKIEL: Are you telling those reading this thread that death is NOT the opposite of life?



    Both Smitty and Ezekiel fell silent when I asked them questions dealing with Jesus Christ's parable/illustration aka fictional story about a Rich Man (whose name was never given). According to the parable, the unnamed Rich Man was having a conversation with Abraham--AFTER HE DIED and was burning up in literal hell. Never mind that in the parable, Abraham and the Rich Man were thousands of miles apart (the Rich Man being in hell and Abraham being in heavenly paradise). How they could literally hear each others words from that distance is quite a challenge. Just as challenging is how a drop of water could survive evaporation, coming from such a distance (from heaven to hell) and then to top it off, survive evaporation from the burning flames of hell in order to reach the tongue of the Rich Man.

    Something tells me I will be waiting indefinitely for Ezekiel to answer those questions.


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