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Thread: Is LITERAL Hellfire Torment A Bible Teaching?

  1. #91
    Quote Originally Posted by Ezekiel 33 View Post
    I feel like a hamster on a wheel with this conversation. You just continue believing that there is no eternal place of torment and we can both pray that you don't have to experience the truth at the end of the age.

    God bless
    Ezekiel 33:

    The last time you disappeared, your excuse was that you were busy. Well, it's obvious to all reading this thread at this point that you simply do not want to reason on the scriptures. You dodged every single question I asked you. This time around, instead of using the excuse that you are busy, you will instead "pray" for me.

    And here I was assuming that Bible readers are interested in what the Bible truly has to say. I have found that in most instances, traditions of men is what takes priority over Biblical truths. How sad.


    Alter2Ego
    "That people may know that you, whose name is JEHOVAH, you alone are the Most High over all the earth." ~ Psalms 83:18

  2. #92
    Quote Originally Posted by Smitty View Post
    That's why I took an early exit from this thread Ezekiel. Alter2Ego disregarded and completely ignored the Scriptures I posted in this thread.
    Alter2Ego needs to ask the Lord to "Open (her/his) mind to understand the Scriptures" (Luke 24:45).
    This verse implies an expression of a supernatural opening of the mind to understand the truth of Scripture.
    One who doesn't understand the Scriptures is blinded to it's truth, and understands little or nothing.
    I've witnessed this first hand when dealing with Mormons and Jehovah Witnesses.
    They out right refuse to acknowledge the truth of Scripture when it's presented right before their eyes' in black and white.
    Of coarse we know the devil is behind it. "Satan blinds the minds of them which believe not"... (2 Cor 4:4).
    With all due respect to Alter2Ego, (not sure of gender) but he/she needs to have an Emmaus experience. (Luke 24:13-32)
    And it came about that when He had reclined at the table with them, He took the bread and blessed it, and breaking it, He began giving it to them.
    And their eyes were opened and they recognized Him and vanished from their sight (verses 30-31).
    Smitty:

    Considering the fact that you ran from every question I asked, you are hardly in a position tell anyone that I need to open my mind. It should be clear to all those reading this thread as to whose mind is closed and whose is not. Whenever people start dodging direct questions that challenge their religious traditions, that is a red flag that the person refusing to answer the question has closed his or her mind to what the scripture is actually saying. Why? Because such ones put their religious traditions ahead of scriptural truths.

    Ezekiel has now bowed out now that he realizes the implication of my questions. You bowed out for the same reason: You did not want to answer my questions because the answer would contradict your belief in literal hellfire torment.

    Quote Originally Posted by Smitty View Post
    Alter2Ego disregarded and completely ignored the Scriptures I posted in this thread.
    That is a false statement. At page 1 of this thread, I addressed several of the points you made, including the scripture you presented from the book of Luke which tells the story of the Rich Man and Lazarus. I directly addressed you in each instance during my responses. When I started asking you certain questions about the story of the Rich Man and Lazarus, you chose to end the conversation because you did not want to deal with the reality that the story of the Rich Man and Lazarus is nothing more than a parable aka fictional story.

    In a next post, I will address the remainder of the comments that you made on page 1 of this thread.


    Alter2Ego
    Last edited by Alter2Ego; 02-08-2020 at 10:45 PM.
    "That people may know that you, whose name is JEHOVAH, you alone are the Most High over all the earth." ~ Psalms 83:18

  3. #93
    Quote Originally Posted by Smitty View Post
    1. Jesus mentioned hell in 46 verses, and 18 of those verses were regarding the fires of hell.
    If you take the Word of God literally, then it is easy to arrive at an interpretation of literal fire.

    2. First of all, let me assure you God is not sending anyone to hell. All of us are already on the road to hell automatically (Eph 2:1-2, Jn 3:17-18).
    The Lord Jesus Christ suffered an excruciating death on the cross to keep us out of hell.
    If a person winds up in hell, its not because God sent them there. Its because they refuse to turn to Him for the forgiveness and the love provided them through the shed blood of His Son, Jesus.


    3. Jesus mentioned a certain (undeniable, indisputable, certain to happen) rich man who found himself in hell upon his death. People have said
    this is a parable which is error. The rich man actually lived at a time in history. Notice he said he wanted a drop of water to cool his tongue because he was
    tormented in this flame Lk 16:24). If this were only mental anguish or something other than real fire, then why did he crave water? He was indeed in real fire.

    4. A human being is triune, spirit, soul, and body (1 Thess 5:23). The soul is your intellect, mind, will, and emotions.
    Notice the rich man in hell had his memory intact because he was concerned (emotions) about his five brothers who were still alive coming to this place of torment (Lk 16:28).
    James mentioned in 5:20 "...he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save his soul from death. Referring to spiritual death, or eternally
    lost which will result experiencing the second death, being cast into the lake of fire (Rev 20:13-15).

    5. Question 5 is also answered in #4.
    Smitty:

    The scripture at 1 Thessalonians 5:23 does not help your argument that a human is a "triune" anymore than it helps your personal philosophy that, to quote you:
    "The soul is your intellect, mind, will, and emotions." Scripture makes it abundantly clear that the word "soul" refers to a person as a living being, rather than a separate part of the individual--as you and many others believe. Notice below:

    "And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul." (Genesis 2:7 -- King James Bible)

    "And Jehovah Elohim formed Man, dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and Man became a living soul." (Genesis 2:7 -- Darby Bible)


    Nowhere in that scripture in Genesis does it say the man (Adam) was "given" a soul. It said the entire man became a living soul. To be sure, no mention is made in Genesis--or anywhere else in the Bible, for that matter--that humans are triune in nature. The Apostle Paul who sent the message at 1 Thessalonians 5:23 was simply using hyperbole and was referring to thoroughness, completeness. Notice below.

    "May God himself, the God of peace, sanctify you through and through. May your whole spirit, soul and body be kept blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ." (1 Thessalonians 5:23 -- New International Version)


    "Now may the God of peace make you holy in every way, and may your whole spirit and soul and body be kept blameless until our Lord Jesus Christ comes again." (1 Thessalonians 5:23 -- New Living Translation)


    "Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you completely, and may your spirit and soul and body be preserved, entirely blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ." (1 Thessalonians 5:23 -- Berean Literal Bible)


    Since I don't expect you to respond to anything I post at this point, I will simply reply to the scriptures you posted for the benefit of anyone else reading this thread, because you claim that I ignored all of your scriptures, when in reality you were the one who decided to end the conversation.


    Alter2Ego
    "That people may know that you, whose name is JEHOVAH, you alone are the Most High over all the earth." ~ Psalms 83:18

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