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    I come down on the side that all sins are equal. A couple of verses come to mind. First, James 2:10 "For whoever keeps the whole law but fails in one point has become guilty of all of it." If you have kept the whole law but failed in one part, you are as guilty as the homosexual according to this verse. The other verse that comes to mind is in Matthew 5:21 "You have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not murder; and whoever murders will be liable to judgment.’ But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother will be liable to the council;"

    And as I've said here many times, instead of condemning the homosexual sinner, why not present the gospel as a positive message for the homosexual? Why not reach out to them as you would to any other broken person?

    I hope Beth is just provoking us to DO something for the homosexual offender instead of just repeatedly poking them in the eye with a sharp stick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bookman View Post
    I hope Beth is just provoking us to DO something for the homosexual offender instead of just repeatedly poking them in the eye with a sharp stick.
    There is truth to what you say in certain christian circles but you forget the gay agenda has become very powerful and has made massive inroads into society.

    Believers can say 1000 times that particular sins are offensive and there will be a small backlash but you can say gay sin is offensive and all hell will break loose
    We have seen it down here with the media and powerful people - the word homophobe is used as an attack weapon even when it's not true

    So in that regard the LGBTQI agenda has something very evil and powerful behind it
    If all sins are equal then why is satan fighting more to promote the gay agenda especially among children


    I can speak to a drug addict, alcoholic, adulterer, thief, idolater, bank robber, violent person etc etc and there will be less angry reactions compared to speaking to a practicing gay.
    Even those who are not gay including Christians get angry if you say the gay lifestyle is sinful yet they don't get angry with other sins - that proves something evil at work

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal TT View Post
    There is truth to what you say in certain christian circles but you forget the gay agenda has become very powerful and has made massive inroads into society.

    Believers can say 1000 times that particular sins are offensive and there will be a small backlash but you can say gay sin is offensive and all hell will break loose
    We have seen it down here with the media and powerful people - the word homophobe is used as an attack weapon even when it's not true

    So in that regard the LGBTQI agenda has something very evil and powerful behind it
    If all sins are equal then why is satan fighting more to promote the gay agenda especially among children


    I can speak to a drug addict, alcoholic, adulterer, thief, idolater, bank robber, violent person etc etc and there will be less angry reactions compared to speaking to a practicing gay.
    Even those who are not gay including Christians get angry if you say the gay lifestyle is sinful yet they don't get angry with other sins - that proves something evil at work
    Exactly.

    Per Bookie's post, no one was saying condemn them. But you still have to speak the truth in love.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal TT View Post
    There is truth to what you say in certain christian circles but you forget the gay agenda has become very powerful and has made massive inroads into society.

    Believers can say 1000 times that particular sins are offensive and there will be a small backlash but you can say gay sin is offensive and all hell will break loose
    We have seen it down here with the media and powerful people - the word homophobe is used as an attack weapon even when it's not true

    So in that regard the LGBTQI agenda has something very evil and powerful behind it
    If all sins are equal then why is satan fighting more to promote the gay agenda especially among children


    I can speak to a drug addict, alcoholic, adulterer, thief, idolater, bank robber, violent person etc etc and there will be less angry reactions compared to speaking to a practicing gay.
    Even those who are not gay including Christians get angry if you say the gay lifestyle is sinful yet they don't get angry with other sins - that proves something evil at work
    Keep in mind that most of the "agenda" stuff is coming from the comparatively few who might be considered activists. The vast majority of men and women who struggle with homosexuality aren't part of that--and yet they distrust Christians because what they hear is mostly attacks against them, but very very little in the way of hope. What I'm saying is that, even if they disagree with Christians, it would be better if they felt we were motivated by love toward them rather than anger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuego View Post
    So what was the sin God labeled as an 'abomination'? If one sin is an abomination, but this isn't called one, which do you think is worse?
    I think that term has taken on a meaning of its own in the English language, one that isn't there in the Hebrew. One of "something that is worse than anything else". In the OT it's used about eating shellfish and using weights and measures that aren't accurate. Since murder isn't defined as an abomination, should we conclude that murder is a lesser sin than all the things that are mentioned as "abominations" ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bookman View Post
    I come down on the side that all sins are equal. A couple of verses come to mind. First, James 2:10 "For whoever keeps the whole law but fails in one point has become guilty of all of it." If you have kept the whole law but failed in one part, you are as guilty as the homosexual according to this verse. The other verse that comes to mind is in Matthew 5:21 "You have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not murder; and whoever murders will be liable to judgment.’ But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother will be liable to the council;"

    And as I've said here many times, instead of condemning the homosexual sinner, why not present the gospel as a positive message for the homosexual? Why not reach out to them as you would to any other broken person?

    I hope Beth is just provoking us to DO something for the homosexual offender instead of just repeatedly poking them in the eye with a sharp stick.
    In the OT there were more and less severe judgments over sin. Even "an eye for an eye" implies that, the penalty was according to the act, not generalized. In the NT sins are judged more or less severely, people are "judged according to their deeds".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal TT View Post
    There is truth to what you say in certain christian circles but you forget the gay agenda has become very powerful and has made massive inroads into society.

    Believers can say 1000 times that particular sins are offensive and there will be a small backlash but you can say gay sin is offensive and all hell will break loose
    We have seen it down here with the media and powerful people - the word homophobe is used as an attack weapon even when it's not true

    So in that regard the LGBTQI agenda has something very evil and powerful behind it
    If all sins are equal then why is satan fighting more to promote the gay agenda especially among children


    I can speak to a drug addict, alcoholic, adulterer, thief, idolater, bank robber, violent person etc etc and there will be less angry reactions compared to speaking to a practicing gay.
    Even those who are not gay including Christians get angry if you say the gay lifestyle is sinful yet they don't get angry with other sins - that proves something evil at work
    That's true but reacting by doing the diametrical opposite and defining homosexuality or other sexual sins as worse than anything else actually works in favor of their agenda. Westboro baptist church and "God hates fags" are the homosexual agenda's very best friends, except in the rare individual cases where someone actually listens to them and decides to agree with them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bookman View Post
    Keep in mind that most of the "agenda" stuff is coming from the comparatively few who might be considered activists. The vast majority of men and women who struggle with homosexuality aren't part of that--and yet they distrust Christians because what they hear is mostly attacks against them, but very very little in the way of hope. What I'm saying is that, even if they disagree with Christians, it would be better if they felt we were motivated by love toward them rather than anger.
    Of course love has to be at work to reach homosexuals but the problem is more difficult than just bringing homosexuals to Christ.

    The prevelance of the gay agenda has infiltrated every area of society to the point it is demonic and pure evil.
    It is promoted in schools by heterosexuals and many teachers are in agreement
    My SIL is a teacher but a Christian and she and others can see children being used and deceived.

    The equivalent of your Democrat party down here has LGBTQI as their platform then they are actual activists in promoting the agenda.
    The Democrat Party are in favour of the gay agenda

    Down here the average heterosexual person is mostly in agreement with homosexual values and will actively speak in favour of their lifestyle.
    My cousin and her husband are the typical heterosexual couple and they have no issue with gay marriage etc

    Some of the loudest angriest voices promoting homosexuality are heterosexuals in all areas of society

    The evidence is wide and plenty that gay activism has poisoned every strata in western nations

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    That's true but reacting by doing the diametrical opposite and defining homosexuality or other sexual sins as worse than anything else actually works in favor of their agenda. Westboro baptist church and "God hates fags" are the homosexual agenda's very best friends, except in the rare individual cases where someone actually listens to them and decides to agree with them.

    Westboro church and others like them are insignificant and minor.
    Far more believers are acting in love but then you have churches, denominations which number in the hundreds of thousands who do not see gay agends as sinful

    The REALITY is that the gay agenda has taken over and trying to make comparison with Westboro Baptists and others like them is comparing a mosquito biting a elephants butt

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    The gay agenda is a tsunami that has swamped western nations

    Not that long ago the gay agenda was still a minority but it has grown exponentially. Our recent gay marriage vote was 62% in favour and gays can now legally marry.
    The govt, the media, powerful rich people, schools, universities, businesses are all majorly in favour of the gay agenda in promoting homosexual values in every sphere of society

    There really is no argument down here

    Christians have been talking about conquering the 7 mountains of society sadly the gay agenda is already there

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