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Awesome stories. It brings up a point I've been believing since about 2005 or so when Curry Blake opened up my eyes to this. If the minister is in the right place with God, it doesn't matter if the person you are believing for has the faith or not. Every person Jesus prayed for in the NT was healed. Thousands. Do we think they were all in perfect faith? That none had unforgiveness, bitterness, strife, or sin in their life? Yet HE HEALED THEM ALL. Now I will say this concerns the 'world'. Does it work the same way when we pray for Christians? I'm not sure. My jury is still out on that. Although that unbelieving pastor did get healed when Todd prayed for him. But where unbelievers are concerned, they are not required to have faith or be in agreement or whatever. Basically they just need to let you pray for them.
And as far as Nazareth because I'm sure that someone will bring it up, Jesus didn't lay hands on them and they weren't healed. They weren't healed because they wouldn't come to Him for healing because of their unbelief. He did get a few healed, those were the ones that let Him pray for them. But he could do no mighty work because most didn't come to Him for healing due to unbelief because they knew Him personally as Joseph and Mary's son.
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because most didn't come to Him for healing
Scripture please!
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Originally Posted by
Nikos
Scripture please!
Mark 6
5 And he could there do no mighty work, save that he laid his hands upon a few sick folk, and healed them.
6 And he marvelled because of their unbelief. And he went round about the villages, teaching.
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fuego
Mark 6
5 And he could there do no mighty work, save that he laid his hands upon a few sick folk, and healed them.
6 And he marvelled because of their unbelief. And he went round about the villages, teaching.
The unbelief of the father of the demon possessed boy concerned Jesus, even though he very much wanted Jesus to pray for him. Atheists sometimes want Christians to pray for them too, just to see what happens.
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Originally Posted by
fuego
Awesome stories. It brings up a point I've been believing since about 2005 or so when Curry Blake opened up my eyes to this. If the minister is in the right place with God, it doesn't matter if the person you are believing for has the faith or not. Every person Jesus prayed for in the NT was healed. Thousands. Do we think they were all in perfect faith? That none had unforgiveness, bitterness, strife, or sin in their life? Yet HE HEALED THEM ALL. Now I will say this concerns the 'world'. Does it work the same way when we pray for Christians? I'm not sure. My jury is still out on that. Although that unbelieving pastor did get healed when Todd prayed for him. But where unbelievers are concerned, they are not required to have faith or be in agreement or whatever. Basically they just need to let you pray for them.
And as far as Nazareth because I'm sure that someone will bring it up, Jesus didn't lay hands on them and they weren't healed. They weren't healed because they wouldn't come to Him for healing because of their unbelief. He did get a few healed, those were the ones that let Him pray for them. But he could do no mighty work because most didn't come to Him for healing due to unbelief because they knew Him personally as Joseph and Mary's son.
According to Todd White the pastor was saved but was against healing. He had unbelief by way of his doctrine but he still allowed him to pray for him.
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If faith for healing had been the only component involved then there would be no need for the power gifts.
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Colonel
If faith for healing had been the only component involved then there would be no need for the power gifts.
Exactly.
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fuego
Exactly.
That includes the faith of the one praying. If his generic faith for the healing of the person prayed for had been the only component in addition to the faith of the healee then there would still be no need for the power gifts. Just pray in faith and that's it.
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