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    What do you think would be the biggest positive difference (favoring OT over Arm) ?
    Why one over the other, when:
    "Biblical Open Theism seeks to promote a consistent affirmation of the God of the Bible in the tradition of a historically conservative Arminian theology."

    http://www.biblicalopentheism.com/home.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonathan david View Post
    Why one over the other, when:
    "Biblical Open Theism seeks to promote a consistent affirmation of the God of the Bible in the tradition of a historically conservative Arminian theology."

    Are you saying there are no differences between both?

    Colonel has commented and made it clear what he believes is Armenian doctrine and how it differs from OT.


    JD

    With due respect you have the opportunity to explain specific verses where you agree with OT which you believe is consistent with scripture.
    Can you please share?

    Currently some of your comments are ambiguous...not wanting to pick a fight but looking for clarity
    Example - Do you believe in my previous post # 90 regarding the definition of God's omniscience?



    IF there are no differences between OT and orthodoxy why is VW bothering to write a book...why have other proponents written books and articles if its the same teaching

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    Arminian, not Armenian. Armenia is a country and they typically belong to a branch of the Eastern Orthodox Church.

    Jacobus Arminius was a Dutch theologian who lived at approximately the same time as the KJV translators, the early 1600s. Many think that he formulated his doctrine as a response to the five points of Calvinism but it was actually the other way around.

    Later John Wesley developed free will theology further in the 1700s and also started the Methodist movement, which became a precursor of the Holiness movement which became a precursor of the Pentecostal movement. So the theology may be termed Wesley-Arminian theology, which is one foundation of what most Pentecostals believe and also most Charismatics unless they have a very firm foundation in one of the traditional denominations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonathan david View Post
    Why one over the other, when:
    "Biblical Open Theism seeks to promote a consistent affirmation of the God of the Bible in the tradition of a historically conservative Arminian theology."

    http://www.biblicalopentheism.com/home.html
    There's an underlying problem there. The fact that to many Calvinists, both Arminianism and Open Theism qualify as "Open theology". Then there is some confusion about what Arminian theology says. Some present Arminianism as a form of Calvinism with Arminian packaging. Some refer to the same thing as moderate Calvinism or as some sort of hybrid. In this confusion, Open Theism becomes easier to spot as a concrete alternative to Calvinism.

    "God in an eternal now" may have been a popular philosophical idea during the first milennium of Christianity but I don't think it was much involved in the theological developments starting with the Reformation in the 1500s. It certainly isn't an integral part of either Calvinism or Wesley-Arminian theology.

    Open Theists claim that they have developed Arminian theology into a more thorough product but there are better developments of Arminian theology that actually qualify as Arminian theology and at the same time Orthodox Christianity, without the pitfalls of Open Theism.

    So against that background I'm still wondering what the positive difference favoring OT over (every development of) Arminianism would be. We know that OT has pitfalls so there has got to be some huge positive benefit involved that makes it interesting. What exactly is that ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonathan david View Post
    I just wrote a detailed answer that must have gotten zapped on transmission. (Can an administrator perhaps find an auto save version?).
    Try backpaging and see if it shows up or maybe there is an autosave somewhere on your device.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    There's an underlying problem there. The fact that to many Calvinists, both Arminianism and Open Theism qualify as "Open theology". Then there is some confusion about what Arminian theology says. Some present Arminianism as a form of Calvinism with Arminian packaging. Some refer to the same thing as moderate Calvinism or as some sort of hybrid. In this confusion, Open Theism becomes easier to spot as a concrete alternative to Calvinism.

    "God in an eternal now" may have been a popular philosophical idea during the first milennium of Christianity but I don't think it was much involved in the theological developments starting with the Reformation in the 1500s. It certainly isn't an integral part of either Calvinism or Wesley-Arminian theology.

    Open Theists claim that they have developed Arminian theology into a more thorough product but there are better developments of Arminian theology that actually qualify as Arminian theology and at the same time Orthodox Christianity, without the pitfalls of Open Theism Pnr Status TextNow VPN.

    So against that background I'm still wondering what the positive difference favoring OT over (every development of) Arminianism would be. We know that OT has pitfalls so there has got to be some huge positive benefit involved that makes it interesting. What exactly is that ?
    Hi
    I do not know what exactly it is but I think that OT does not only present traps but it presents other things
    Last edited by rossi; 01-13-2019 at 07:23 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rossi View Post
    Hi
    I do not know what exactly it is but I think that OT does not only present traps but it presents other things
    I have no idea what that sentence means.

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