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    Ken Ham Calls Andy Stanley a 'False Teacher'

    Answers in Genesis founder and president Ken Ham is calling Georgia pastor Andy Stanley a "false teacher" for comments Stanley made in a recent sermon on the connection between Christianity and the Old Testament.

    Ham's comments on June 22 sparked a lively discussion on his social media accounts, with some taking Ham's side and others defending Stanley.

    "Is Andy Stanley a false teacher?" Ham asked on his Facebook page and Twitter feed. "He compromises Genesis and certainly teaches that those of us who insist all the Bible (including OT) is true are putting a stumbling block in people's way to hearing the gospel. But it's Stanley who is undermining God's Word -- yes, a false teacher."

    Ham also discussed Stanley's sermon in the June 22 episode of Answers News. He posted a clip of Stanley's sermon on his social media accounts. Stanley is senior pastor of North Point Community Church.

    "Many have lost faith because of something about the Bible or in the Bible – the Old Testament in particular," Stanley says in the clip. "Once they can no longer accept all the historicity of the Old Testament, once they couldn't go along with all the miracles, once somebody poked a hole in the Genesis creation, you know, myth – once all that went away suddenly their house-of-cards faith came tumbling down because they were taught it's all true, it's all God's Word and if you find one part that's not true [then] uh-oh the whole thing comes tumbling down.

    "[But] not Christianity. The Bible did not create Christianity," Stanley adds. "The resurrection of Jesus created Christianity and launched Christianity. Your whole house of Old Testament cards can come tumbling down [but] the question is: Did Jesus rise from the dead? And the eyewitnesses said He did. I know that's a little disturbing for some of us. I know for many of you, this is liberating. As one close friend of mine said who was in her 60s, she said, 'I finally understand.'"

    Ham played additional clips of Stanley's sermons on Answer News.

    More than 500 people on Ham's social media accounts discussed his charge.

    "[Stanley] doesn't know the person he claims to believe in," Ian Davidson wrote on Facebook. "Jesus said ... 'If they do not hear Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded though one rise from the dead.'"

    Others, though, said Ham had crossed the line.

    "Very disheartening to see further division," Chad Loflin (@Chad Loflin) wrote on Twitter. "@AndyStanley is simply reaching to the skeptics of certain areas of biblical teaching. Our hope is in the resurrection as established by OT, but the New Covenant can stand alone! Make a difference instead of making a point."

    https://www.christianheadlines.com/c...ontent=2486381

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    Well, what on earth guaranteed the NT is accurate if he contends the OT isn't accurate? So God just inspired the NT, not the OT? That doesn't make sense.

    What's going on here, in my opinion, is that this church, like so many others today, preaches to the shallow end of the pool. Truly hungry hearts will move on to deeper waters. A congregation of newbies that never grow by being fed the meat, only the milk. It's sad and it's a stumbling block to those who look to him for rock-solid answers and he offers them quicksand.

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    Jesus verified a whole host of Old Testament accounts.

    "If they do not hear Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded though one rise from the dead."

    I hadn't thought about that quote by Abraham from the parable of the rich man and Lazarus in that setting but I suppose it could be applied to the OT vs Jesus as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bookman View Post
    Well, what on earth guaranteed the NT is accurate if he contends the OT isn't accurate? So God just inspired the NT, not the OT? That doesn't make sense.

    What's going on here, in my opinion, is that this church, like so many others today, preaches to the shallow end of the pool. Truly hungry hearts will move on to deeper waters. A congregation of newbies that never grow by being fed the meat, only the milk. It's sad and it's a stumbling block to those who look to him for rock-solid answers and he offers them quicksand.
    Andy pretty much asked for this one. The Body of Christ doesnt need this division in this hour.

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    Acts 8:26-39 New King James Version (NKJV)
    Christ Is Preached to an Ethiopian

    26 Now an angel of the Lord spoke to Philip, saying, "Arise and go toward the south along the road which goes down from Jerusalem to Gaza." This is [a]desert. 27 So he arose and went. And behold, a man of Ethiopia, a eunuch of great authority under Candace the queen of the Ethiopians, who had charge of all her treasury, and had come to Jerusalem to worship, 28 was returning. And sitting in his chariot, he was reading Isaiah the prophet. 29 Then the Spirit said to Philip, "Go near and overtake this chariot."

    30 So Philip ran to him, and heard him reading the prophet Isaiah, and said, "Do you understand what you are reading?"

    31 And he said, "How can I, unless someone guides me?" And he asked Philip to come up and sit with him. 32 The place in the Scripture which he read was this:

    "He was led as a sheep to the slaughter;
    And as a lamb before its shearer is silent,
    So He opened not His mouth.
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    In His humiliation His justice was taken away,
    And who will declare His generation?
    For His life is taken from the earth."

    34 So the eunuch answered Philip and said, "I ask you, of whom does the prophet say this, of himself or of some other man?" 35 Then Philip opened his mouth, and beginning at this Scripture, preached Jesus to him.
    36 Now as they went down the road, they came to some water. And the eunuch said, "See, here is water. What hinders me from being baptized?"

    37 Then Philip said, "If you believe with all your heart, you may."

    And he answered and said, "I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God."

    38 So he commanded the chariot to stand still. And both Philip and the eunuch went down into the water, and he baptized him. 39 Now when they came up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught Philip away, so that the eunuch saw him no more; and he went on his way rejoicing.
    Maybe Mr. Stanley should study his bible a bit more before teaching others.

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    Andy Stanley built his church with a combination of name recognition (his dad is Dr. Charles Stanley) and church growth marketing techniques, where you essentially provide the church with what they want rather than giving them what they need. If his church members don't want a literal reading of the Genesis account of creation then he'll give them something that they like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jew and Greek View Post
    Andy Stanley built his church with a combination of name recognition (his dad is Dr. Charles Stanley) and church growth marketing techniques, where you essentially provide the church with what they want rather than giving them what they need. If his church members don't want a literal reading of the Genesis account of creation then he'll give them something that they like.
    There it is!

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    Often when debating/discussion absolutes the subject boils down to someone who does not accept the scriptures as the absolute inerrant word of God supernaturally preserved by God....they will say, 'It's written by men therefore not fully reliable...'

    This is not new...but it is pretty rampant in the apostasy...I would say it is the foundation of the apostasy...

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    Did Andy Stanley follow this up with any comprehensive responses?
    I think he owes us at least a church philosophy statement regarding his take on bible innerancy and discipleship approach. Spell out what people already know, addressing concerns in a real forthright way (e.g., Even though I believe in bible unnerancy, I take an unusual approach in sermons. But in my cell groups, I make sure that the full scriptural aspects are brought out).

    Admit weaknesses in your approach.
    Even Bill Hybels, at one point admitted that his system kept baby Christians babies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonathan david View Post
    Did Andy Stanley follow this up with any comprehensive responses?
    I think he owes us at least a church philosophy statement regarding his take on bible innerancy and discipleship approach. Spell out what people already know, addressing concerns in a real forthright way (e.g., Even though I believe in bible unnerancy, I take an unusual approach in sermons. But in my cell groups, I make sure that the full scriptural aspects are brought out).

    Admit weaknesses in your approach.
    Even Bill Hybels, at one point admitted that his system kept baby Christians babies.
    North Point Community Church Senior Pastor Andy Stanley has responded to critics of a recent sermon he preached, explaining that those concerned with his comments need to understand the context of his remarks.

    "I approach a message series like a single sermon. I don't try to cover everything in 35 minutes. I'm not that good," Stanley said in an interview with Relevant Magazine published Tuesday.

    "So, if you want to criticize my approach to preaching, fine. I would love to talk about that. But don't criticize a statement in a sermon if you aren't willing to spend the time necessary to appreciate the context."

    Stanley explained that critics needed to better understand the context of his comments, noting that people "who listened to all three parts of the series probably understood the point I was making."

    https://www.christianpost.com/amp/an...ontext-224060/

    This part bothers me:
    Explaining his ministry mission, he stressed, "Like James, Peter and Paul, I want to remove every unnecessary obstacle to faith in Jesus."

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