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Originally Posted by
John
I don't know what we would do without the gift of correction.
Have even more confusion ?
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Originally Posted by
Colonel
I'm not correcting your theology, I'm correcting your use of terms.
I'll sleep tonite knowing you're alert and guarding the vocab on this thread.... You've got more corrections than carter has little liver pills...
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Originally Posted by
wheeze
I'll sleep tonite knowing you're alert and guarding the vocab on this thread.... You've got more corrections than carter has little liver pills...
I'll sleep tonight knowing that you will use the terms correctly from now on and that you will explain exactly what it is that you are referring to when you criticize various preachers for preaching hyper-prosperity or similar, instead of just throwing out the term "prosperity gospel" as a general accusation whenever you feel like it.
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So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.
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I agree with colonel and fuego. I've seen faith teachers (not famous ones) in foreign countries like Brazil teaching people faith and as a result the people experience prosperity in a poor country. The same thing happens in Angola, Bolivia, Kenya ... etc. They might not be living in mansions and driving luxury cars but they're prospering. I don't think there's any question that prosperity teaching has gone way beyond what the Bible actually says, and that's why Kenneth Hagin wrote his book "The Midas Touch" and called a little summit with some WoF ministers a few years before he passed. Biblical prosperity brings glory to God and furthers His Kingdom. When people are talking more about your stuff than they are your God and the fruit of your ministry you've got a problem.
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Originally Posted by
Jew and Greek
I agree with colonel and fuego. I've seen faith teachers (not famous ones) in foreign countries like Brazil teaching people faith and as a result the people experience prosperity in a poor country. The same thing happens in Angola, Bolivia, Kenya ... etc. They might not be living in mansions and driving luxury cars but they're prospering. I don't think there's any question that prosperity teaching has gone way beyond what the Bible actually says, and that's why Kenneth Hagin wrote his book "The Midas Touch" and called a little summit with some WoF ministers a few years before he passed. Biblical prosperity brings glory to God and furthers His Kingdom. When people are talking more about your stuff than they are your God and the fruit of your ministry you've got a problem.
Bro I've personally seen people lose their homes and businesses because of the prosperity demons doctrine. As you said biblical prosperity is FAR different then what is espoused by these televangelists we see.
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Originally Posted by
Colonel
I'll sleep tonight knowing that you will use the terms correctly from now on and that you will explain exactly what it is that you are referring to when you criticize various preachers for preaching hyper-prosperity or similar, instead of just throwing out the term "prosperity gospel" as a general accusation whenever you feel like it.
The prosperity doctrine regardless of how you dress it up is still evil and and trust me I will still be criticizing televangelists for milking peoples wallets...
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Originally Posted by
wheeze
Bro I've personally seen people lose their homes and businesses because of the prosperity demons doctrine. As you said biblical prosperity is FAR different then what is espoused by these televangelists we see.
I've seen the same.
For the love of money is the root of all evil; and while some have coveted after it, they have erred from the faith and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.
Many will say "don't blame WOF for that! Sorry, fruit doesn't lie, for those so inclined the teaching is a trap.
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Originally Posted by
wheeze
The prosperity doctrine regardless of how you dress it up is still evil and and trust me I will still be criticizing televangelists for milking peoples wallets...
That's hyper-prosperity, not to be confused with biblical prosperity. There are lots of non-charismatics out there that deny healing, prosperity, anything like that. Except if science or their own efforts produce it, then it's okay.
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Originally Posted by
Jew and Greek
I agree with colonel and fuego. I've seen faith teachers (not famous ones) in foreign countries like Brazil teaching people faith and as a result the people experience prosperity in a poor country. The same thing happens in Angola, Bolivia, Kenya ... etc. They might not be living in mansions and driving luxury cars but they're prospering. I don't think there's any question that prosperity teaching has gone way beyond what the Bible actually says, and that's why Kenneth Hagin wrote his book "The Midas Touch" and called a little summit with some WoF ministers a few years before he passed. Biblical prosperity brings glory to God and furthers His Kingdom. When people are talking more about your stuff than they are your God and the fruit of your ministry you've got a problem.
Good points. Real, biblical prosperity is worth fighting for, including when it's labeled heresy, "the prosperity gospel" or "health and wealth" by the antis. Explaining the difference between biblical prosperity and the hyper-versions is an important task, the antis tend to try to bury it all under the same labels. That's a satanic strategy.
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