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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    What grieves me the most is that he mocks efforts to evangelize Jews. That makes his teaching a heresy. A narrow form that appears to alter the gospel only in relation to Jews which are a very small part of the worldwide population today, but still a heresy.
    This is just my guess. And I my take comes from friends who have changed in the last decade or so. One friend who I grew up with is now what he calls himself “Hebrew Pentecostal “? They no longer say “Jesus”, they no longer go to church on Sunday, they keep the Sabbath, the Passover, dietary laws, all the holidays etc. For some, it started by making regular trips to Israel with tour groups or as a guide. I think they became emotionally attached, enamored & infatuated with the people and culture.

    There’s nothing wrong with some of the above mentioned IMO until you tell me that using the name of Jesus is blasphemy because it means “swine” and that I am defiling my body therefore sinning by eating port.

    I’ve seen some of my friends on Facebook and just SMH. They are all caught up in ceremonialism, playing dress up and totally caught up in the Jewish culture.

    One thing seems to lead to another with some people

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pentecali View Post
    This is just my guess. And I my take comes from friends who have changed in the last decade or so. One friend who I grew up with is now what he calls himself "Hebrew Pentecostal "? They no longer say "Jesus", they no longer go to church on Sunday, they keep the Sabbath, the Passover, dietary laws, all the holidays etc. For some, it started by making regular trips to Israel with tour groups or as a guide. I think they became emotionally attached, enamored & infatuated with the people and culture.

    There's nothing wrong with some of the above mentioned IMO until you tell me that using the name of Jesus is blasphemy because it means "swine" and that I am defiling my body therefore sinning by eating port.

    I've seen some of my friends on Facebook and just SMH. They are all caught up in ceremonialism, playing dress up and totally caught up in the Jewish culture.

    One thing seems to lead to another with some people
    I don't think John Hagee (or his large church) is any of the above but he seems extremely Old Testament oriented in general for a Pentecostal type Christian. I knew that before I heard about his views mentioned in this thread which didn't surprise me much against that background.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    What grieves me the most is that he mocks efforts to evangelize Jews.
    Well if that is so, then he's vicariously mocking every apostle, etc

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pentecali View Post
    According to this YouTube clip, John Hagee denies that Jesus is the messiah

    https://youtu.be/1bv05U--rY8

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    Well that 'commercial' for his book was what started it all several years ago about what he believed. I know then a few Christians leaders asked him to clarify, and they said he said he believes that Jesus is the Messiah, etc. But that's what I'm talking about with him being so ambiguous. How can you say what's in that video and then say you believe the exact opposite? I don't get it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuego View Post
    Well if that is so, then he's vicariously mocking every apostle, etc
    He did according to this pro-Israel site :

    http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/pages...t-theology.htm

    "I'm not trying to convert the Jewish people to the Christian faith," he said. "There is nothing in the `night to honor Israel' that does that." In fact, trying to convert Jews is a "waste of time," he said. "The Jewish person who has his roots in Judaism is not going to convert to Christianity. There is no form of Christian evangelism that has failed so miserably as evangelizing the Jewish people. They (already) have a faith structure." Everyone else, whether Buddhist or Baha'i, needs to believe in Jesus, he says. But not Jews. Jews already have a covenant with God that has never been replaced by Christianity, he says"

    Beneath that quote there is a link to an article in the Houston Chronicle that no longer (?) works. So I can't verify that the above is truthful. But the site doesn't seem to be there for HH purposes.

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    On the same page there is a quote that explains how that is supposed to fit the New Testament :

    "The Jewish people have a relationship to God through the law of God as given through Moses," Hagee said. "I believe that every Gentile person can only come to God through the cross of Christ. I believe that every Jewish person who lives in the light of the Torah, which is the word of God, has a relationship with God and will come to redemption. "The law of Moses is sufficient enough to bring a person into the knowledge of God until God gives him a greater revelation. And God has not," said Hagee, giving his interpretation of Romans 11:25. "Paul abandoned the idea (of Jews knowing Christ). In the book of Romans, he said, `I am now going to go to the Gentiles from this time forward.' Judaism doesn't need Christianity to explain its existence. But Christianity has to have Judaism to explain its existence."

    Which involves the Jews being evangelized for a short while until the apostles turned their full attention to the Gentiles instead. This is the verse he quotes :

    Acts 18:6 But when they opposed him and blasphemed, he shook his garments and said to them, “Your blood be upon your own heads; I am clean. From now on I will go to the Gentiles.

    As we all know, Paul himself was still busy evangelizing Jews in Rome in Acts 28. Which happened some time after he wrote the letter to the Romans (11:25 being a foundational verse in his theology)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pentecali View Post
    This is just my guess. And I my take comes from friends who have changed in the last decade or so. One friend who I grew up with is now what he calls himself “Hebrew Pentecostal “? They no longer say “Jesus”, they no longer go to church on Sunday, they keep the Sabbath, the Passover, dietary laws, all the holidays etc. For some, it started by making regular trips to Israel with tour groups or as a guide. I think they became emotionally attached, enamored & infatuated with the people and culture.

    There’s nothing wrong with some of the above mentioned IMO until you tell me that using the name of Jesus is blasphemy because it means “swine” and that I am defiling my body therefore sinning by eating port.

    I’ve seen some of my friends on Facebook and just SMH. They are all caught up in ceremonialism, playing dress up and totally caught up in the Jewish culture.

    One thing seems to lead to another with some people

    That's the problem with some believers....they don't know how to balance truth and go to extremes

    I have never heard of this 'using the name of Jesus is blasphemy because it means “swine” ' - that is disgusting

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuego View Post
    Well that's what I was saying about Hagee. He teaches with that same kind of ambiguity.
    Rabbi (pastor) Hagee said 3 days ago in Jerusalem (May 14), "You (Jews) have a covenant"..."we are gentiles, we (Christians) don't have a covenant."
    https://www.timesofisrael.com/search...&submit=search

    I wonder if Rev. Hagee has lost his mind. The poor man doesn't know there is a New Covenant. What bible is he reading from?

    Lets start with the old covenant over in Jeremiah 31:31, "Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah.

    Jesus said, "This cup is the new covenant in My blood, which is shed for you (Lk 22:20). "Who also hath made us able ministers of the new covenant...(2 Cor 3:6).

    When He said, "A new covenant," He has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to disappear(Heb 8:13).

    And for this cause He is the mediator of the new covenant..."(Heb 9:15).

    Mr. Hagee, "until we all attain to the unity of the faith, and the knowledge of the Son of God, to a mature man... (Jew and Gentile) under the new covenant (Eph 4:13).

    Would someone please tell Mr. Hagee that the old covenant is obsolete. Tell him the first covenant is over.
    If you put God First, you have Him at Last.

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    The man has gone off the rails.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuego View Post
    Well that 'commercial' for his book was what started it all several years ago about what he believed. I know then a few Christians leaders asked him to clarify, and they said he said he believes that Jesus is the Messiah, etc. But that's what I'm talking about with him being so ambiguous. How can you say what's in that video and then say you believe the exact opposite? I don't get it.
    Yea, I hear ya

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