Thread: John Hagee

Paul specifically included the followers of Abraham's faith in his gospel message to the Jews :

Acts 13:26 “Men and brethren, sons of the family of Abraham, and those among you who fear God, to you the word of this salvation has been sent.
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38 Therefore let it be known to you, brethren, that through this Man is preached to you the forgiveness of sins;
39 and by Him everyone who believes is justified from all things from which you could not be justified by the law of Moses.
40 Beware therefore, lest what has been spoken in the prophets come upon you:
41 ‘Behold, you despisers,
Marvel and perish!
For I work a work in your days,
A work which you will by no means believe,
Though one were to declare it to you.’ ”

The warning in verse 41 is clear.

The same happened here :

Acts 3:25 You are sons of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying to Abraham, ‘And in your seed all the families of the earth shall be blessed.’
26 To you first, God, having raised up His Servant Jesus, sent Him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from your iniquities.”

There is no example anywhere in the New Testament of any Jew being told that since he's a follower of Abraham therefore he doesn't need to follow Jesus of Nazareth. John the Baptist told them otherwise, Jesus himself told them otherwise, all the apostles told them otherwise.

The NT is quite clear that the name of Jesus is the only way to salvation identifying with the person Jesus of Nazareth

Originally Posted by Cardinal TT

The NT is quite clear that the name of Jesus is the only way to salvation identifying with the person Jesus of Nazareth

People have speculated that it would be possible for a modern Jew to follow Abraham in his faith and be accounted righteousness because of that. Abraham himself received a personal revelation of the Messiah who was to come later (John 8:56) but his followers before Christ did not. Let's say that a Jew who is ignorant of the gospel of Jesus can be a follower of Abraham in his faith and be accounted righteousness, what happens when he is confronted with the gospel of Jesus, is convicted of its truthfulness by the Holy Spirit and has to make up his mind on how to relate to the message ? Will he cease being a follower of Abraham if he doesn't take up the faith ? Yes, he will.

John 10:24 Then the Jews surrounded Him and said to Him, “How long do You keep us in doubt? If You are the Christ, tell us plainly.”
25 Jesus answered them, “I told you, and you do not believe. The works that I do in My Father’s name, they bear witness of Me.
26 But you do not believe, because you are not of My sheep, as I said to you.
27 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me.

A true follower of Abraham expands his faith in God to include God's Messiah Jesus of Nazareth upon being convicted of the gospel. Or he stumbles against the stumbling block and doesn't stand up again.

A contemporary Jew who has been convicted of the gospel and who has failed to become a follower of Jesus of Nazareth is not a follower of Abraham's faith.

What about a contemporary Jew who became or was raised as a follower of Judaism based on a tradition that teaches rejection of Jesus as Messiah ? He is per default not a follower of Abraham's faith.

What about the Jew of 50 AD who hadn't been raised as a Jesus rejecter and who was a follower of Abraham's faith and who heard the gospel and rejected it, did he now lose his faith and therefore his righteous standing before God ? Yes, he did. Is that a sad thing ? Yes, it is. But withholding the message so that no follower of Abraham would stumble against it and thereby reject his own faith would have produced far less fruit, there were far more Jews that took up the faith than who lost it and then there are all the Gentiles that became believers, in addition to that.

Originally Posted by Tehilah Ba'Aretz

Pastor Hagee teaches that there is only one way of salvation and there never has been another. There was no salvation by the sacrifice of animals but only by grace through faith. Abraham knew and loved the only God that has ever existed and he had faith in God for salvation.
On a parallel line of thought, Jesus was given the name above every name, that at His name every knee shall bow and every tongue confess that Jesus is LORD. What name is that name? Is it Jesus. Well since He was given the name Jesus at birth, He already had that name. I think that the name above ever name is the name יהוה which many Christians pronounce Jehovah. Abraham had faith in that name! Not duel covenant, unified covenant.

Yes brother.


Jesus is YHWH!

Originally Posted by JLB

Yes brother.
Jesus is YHWH!

So according to you the rest of us on this forum that teach that there is no salvation for Jews outside of becoming followers of Jesus of Nazareth, are heretics ?

Originally Posted by Colonel

So now orthodox Jews automatically believe in Jesus even when they mock him as the illegitimate son of a Roman soldier or worse ? Tehilah, "Jehovah" isn't a stumbling block to Jews nor was "Jehovah" that at the time of Jesus. The reason why is that "Jehovah" never became a man, he was never crucified for the sins of the people and he was never raised again from the dead.
You're merely conforming to what the orthodox Jews around you would like you to believe and that is a sad thing.

Well that's what I was saying about Hagee. He teaches with that same kind of ambiguity.

Originally Posted by fuego

Well that's what I was saying about Hagee. He teaches with that same kind of ambiguity.

I wonder what those people think happens when an orthodox Jew takes up faith in Jesus as his Messiah. Nothing ?

According to this YouTube clip, John Hagee denies that Jesus is the messiah



https://youtu.be/1bv05U--rY8



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Originally Posted by Pentecali

According to this YouTube clip, John Hagee denies that Jesus is the messiah
https://youtu.be/1bv05U--rY8
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What grieves me the most is that he mocks efforts to evangelize Jews. That makes his teaching a heresy. A narrow form that appears to alter the gospel only in relation to Jews which are a very small part of the worldwide population today, but still a heresy.