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Originally Posted by
victoryword
Too often Word-Faith and Charismatic teachers were going for "fresh revelation" and "shock value". I also think they were trying to appeal to crowds who were becoming bored with simple foundational truths and needed new stuff to keep the crowds coming back and the continued sales of books and tapes.
That being said, I have never seen the "little gods" teaching as controversial as our critics have made it out to be. I understood exactly what was being taught (we are children of the King, "sons of God," share in His throne and authority, etc.). My only contention is that the very truths being taught under the controversial "little gods" title could and have been taught without using unnecessary controversial language.
Yes, there is an oratorical "device" that seems to say something wrong/upsetting/provocative in order to stir up (or wake up ;) the people. The speaker then fills in the information to properly position that controversial statement in a way, that it is true (e.g., a valid biblical teaching). I prefer that teachers do "close the loop" in their full explanation during the sermon rather than not answer potential objections (but that's me).
Can someone here go ahead and give the basic explanation of the "little gods" teaching for those who may not know it?
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Originally Posted by
victoryword
If you are trying to get all of the myths into one thread, this is going to be a long discussion. Maybe each myth should get its own thread. I already have a myths in my head but don't want to divert attention right now from continuing to address this particular myth.
Actually I was wondering if even breaking out this WOF-related topic would be an effective "division of thought." But feel free to open another WOF Myth Thread. Works for me :)
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Originally Posted by
FireBrand
Something to do with Open Theology?
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Originally Posted by
Colonel
The Bible does say it in Psalms 8 and Jesus quotes that verse in the gospels. I'm sure that most of the WoF preachers did add context to that statement which the heresy hunters then conveniently left out.
No, the ones I listened to didn't....in fact KC would say gods with a little g...That was one of the HH claims that used to really disgust me...it was never a 'misunderstanding' but was willful ...a lot like or MSM is today politically...
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Originally Posted by
Jonathan david
Can someone here go ahead and give the basic explanation of the "little gods" teaching for those who may not know it?
The danger is when it is taken BEYOND what the scripture meant.
Some WOF were saying that you can speak anything into existence without qualifying and it left a false ability of power in the hearers heart.
We can't dismiss the casualties and there are wof people who will testify today of believing things they now see as unscriptural
Before I went into full time ministry I worked in a office and my boss was WOF and a wonderful man. His wife left him, he lost most of his money when his life became unbalanced with teaching that the pastor should have clarified.
He was still responsible to search the scriptures for himself but at that time everything the pastor said was godlike
We all know there is truth and power in the words we speak - but it can be stretched to say things that are not biblical
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Originally Posted by
Quest
No, the ones I listened to didn't....in fact KC would say gods with a little g...That was one of the HH claims that used to really disgust me...it was never a 'misunderstanding' but was willful ...a lot like or MSM is today politically...
That's what we were discussing, the "little gods" teaching. Most WoF preachers added some context to what "little god" was supposed to mean which I'm sure that many heresy hunters conveniently left out.
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Originally Posted by
Cardinal TT
The danger is when it is taken BEYOND what the scripture meant.
Some WOF were saying that you can speak anything into existence without qualifying and it left a false ability of power in the hearers heart.
We can't dismiss the casualties and there are wof people who will testify today of believing things they now see as unscriptural
Before I went into full time ministry I worked in a office and my boss was WOF and a wonderful man. His wife left him, he lost most of his money when his life became unbalanced with teaching that the pastor should have clarified.
He was still responsible to search the scriptures for himself but at that time everything the pastor said was godlike
We all know there is truth and power in the words we speak - but it can be stretched to say things that are not biblical
My pastor likes to say that any biblical truth taken to extreme (and/or at the expense of other associated biblical truths) is one good definition of heresy.
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That's it! Well put Troy!
Originally Posted by
victoryword
I guarantee you that the Word-Faith critics were not even trying to understand what was meant by it. If you can recall, we attempted to clarify these things on CARM only for the anti-wofers to put their fingers in their ears and go "lalalalalalalalalala."
The reason most of these critics are referred to as "heresy hunters" is due to the very fact that they are attempting to dig for anything that they can use to pronounce the movement as heresy. Most of the time the "little gods" proponents are quoted out-of-context and their explanations as redacted, making the person look like Rev. Moon or a Mormon. It was not a sincere desire to get to the truth a an agenda to destroy a movement that was opposed to their cessationism and hyper-Calvinism and a threat to their fanatical "orthodoxy".
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Originally Posted by
victoryword
I guarantee you that the Word-Faith critics were not even trying to understand what was meant by it. If you can recall, we attempted to clarify these things on CARM only for the anti-wofers to put their fingers in their ears and go "lalalalalalalalalala."
The reason most of these critics are referred to as "heresy hunters" is due to the very fact that they are attempting to dig for anything that they can use to pronounce the movement as heresy. Most of the time the "little gods" proponents are quoted out-of-context and their explanations as redacted, making the person look like Rev. Moon or a Mormon. It was not a sincere desire to get to the truth a an agenda to destroy a movement that was opposed to their cessationism and hyper-Calvinism and a threat to their fanatical "orthodoxy".
I've discovered that if I just stick with my early teachers (My pastor, Hagin, Price, Copeland and a couple of others), I'll stay on the right path as far as doctrine goes.
I use to listen to too many so-called WOF/Charismatic ministers and found they were not all saying the same things. At this point, I took the advice of my spiritual mentors, and also began to be more diligent in my own study and research.
Brother Hagin use to say (and bishop Butler regularly reiterated the same), "don't just take the word of a preacher, search the scriptures for yourself to see if the things we say are so, I don't care if is me, read the Bible for yourself." Great advice.
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Word of faith teachers got into trouble with the theological community with the claim that 'Jesus descent into paradise affected Him spiritually.
The ramifications of becoming the ultimate sacrifice taking on the sin of mankind may have done just that. Did the Lord cross over into the torment side of hades in Abrahams bosom?
I don't know why there is such controversy over the matter. Word of faith has always maintained by scripture that Jesus spirit was indeed affected in the regions below after He gave up "the ghost" at Calvary.
When God raised Jesus up, He loosed Him from the pains of death (Acts 2:24).
The Lord was justified or vindicated in the Spirit (1 Tim 3:16) and made alive in the spirit (1 Peter 3:18) after His resurrection.
So those who attack WOF teaching that JDS really have no justification in doing so other than bringing dissention to the body of Christ.
If you put God First, you have Him at Last.
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