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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    I've never heard anyone claim that WOF believes that they are God but I have heard people claim that WOF believes that they are little gods and the definition of that can be fairly close.
    I am stating the "worst-case" accusation, which is where HH try to go in their attacks, ANYWAY.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonathan david View Post
    I am stating the "worst-case" accusation, which is where HH try to go in their attacks, ANYWAY.
    Little gods in God's place and with His authority at their bidding, maybe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by victoryword View Post
    If you are trying to get all of the myths into one thread, this is going to be a long discussion. Maybe each myth should get its own thread. I already have a myths in my head but don't want to divert attention right now from continuing to address this particular myth.
    Something to do with Open Theology?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FireBrand View Post
    Something to do with Open Theology?
    What does that have to do with Word of Faith ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jew and Greek View Post
    I agree JD, but admittedly there have been a few knuckleheads who used rhetoric to give people that impression. No minister of the gospel should ever state "we are gods" or "you are a god". It's one of several things that WoF televangelists have said that came back to bite the movement in the hind parts.
    I respectfully beg to differ .. No WOF Tteacher ever taught that without providing proper context ..if the bible says is then why shouldn't you be able to state it . If we got bitten in the hind parts by those who are hard of hearing then so be it . Being bitten in the hind parts come with the territory

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    Quote Originally Posted by victoryword View Post
    That being said, I have never seen the "little gods" teaching as controversial as our critics have made it out to be. I understood exactly what was being taught (we are children of the King, "sons of God," share in His throne and authority, etc.). My only contention is that the very truths being taught under the controversial "little gods" title could and have been taught without using unnecessary controversial language.
    Quote Originally Posted by victoryword View Post
    I guarantee you that the Word-Faith critics were not even trying to understand what was meant by it. If you can recall, we attempted to clarify these things on CARM only for the anti-wofers to put their fingers in their ears and go "lalalalalalalalalala."

    The reason most of these critics are referred to as "heresy hunters" is due to the very fact that they are attempting to dig for anything that they can use to pronounce the movement as heresy. Most of the time the "little gods" proponents are quoted out-of-context and their explanations as redacted, making the person look like Rev. Moon or a Mormon. It was not a sincere desire to get to the truth a an agenda to destroy a movement that was opposed to their cessationism and hyper-Calvinism and a threat to their fanatical "orthodoxy".
    Quote Originally Posted by BAP View Post
    I respectfully beg to differ .. No WOF Tteacher ever taught that without providing proper context ..if the bible says is then why shouldn't you be able to state it . If we got bitten in the hind parts by those who are hard of hearing then so be it . Being bitten in the hind parts come with the territory
    Bingo.

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    HH is not a theologian or an apologist by training. He's a fundraiser and a businessman. He took the research that was compiled by the people Dr. Walter Martin hired and wrote a book with "over the top" controversial rhetoric and made a fortune off of it. Others tried to cash in on the anti-WoF craze to one extent or another, and there was no financial incentive to be objective and look for the truth.

    At the same time, like VW pointed out earlier there were people in the WoF movement who were trying to cash in on the WoF explosion in the 80's and 90's who felt the need to come up with their own revelations and insights. I recognized that 35 years ago when I was attending Rhema. Whether you're pro-WoF or anti-WoF, we all have the flesh to deal with, and one of the main manifestations of carnal thinking is a loss of emphasis on truth.

    Getting back to the stated objective for the thread, I'd like to add the myth that we teach we should never pray "if it be thy will". That only applies to the prayer of petition. You can't exercise biblical faith for something without knowing God's will revealed through God's Word about the matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jew and Greek View Post
    Getting back to the stated objective for the thread, I'd like to add the myth that we teach we should never pray "if it be thy will". That only applies to the prayer of petition. You can't exercise biblical faith for something without knowing God's will revealed through God's Word about the matter.
    Well the only prayer I know you would pray 'if it be they will' more or less would be a pray of committal as Bro. Hagin taught. Are there some other ones where you would use it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BAP View Post
    I respectfully beg to differ .. No WOF Tteacher ever taught that without providing proper context ..if the bible says is then why shouldn't you be able to state it . If we got bitten in the hind parts by those who are hard of hearing then so be it . Being bitten in the hind parts come with the territory
    The Bible does say it in Psalms 8 and Jesus quotes that verse in the gospels. I'm sure that most of the WoF preachers did add context to that statement which the heresy hunters then conveniently left out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by victoryword View Post
    Too often Word-Faith and Charismatic teachers were going for "fresh revelation" and "shock value". I also think they were trying to appeal to crowds who were becoming bored with simple foundational truths and needed new stuff to keep the crowds coming back and the continued sales of books and tapes.

    That being said, I have never seen the "little gods" teaching as controversial as our critics have made it out to be. I understood exactly what was being taught (we are children of the King, "sons of God," share in His throne and authority, etc.). My only contention is that the very truths being taught under the controversial "little gods" title could and have been taught without using unnecessary controversial language.
    True, I heard Kenneth Copeland say that once...but not just for 'shock value' per se...to break their armor of religiosity...so many hear the familiar terms but hold very different understandings so from time to time he did use that to try to break through or as we would say today, to wake them...make them think out of the box...

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