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    Word of Faith - The Biblical Basis

    So let's talk about what biblical "Word of Faith" theology really is about. Here is opportunity to set the record straight on its fundamentals. WoF is little to do with the mangled-up description from those who attack it in ignorance of what the core beliefs are.

    I'm not interested in rehashing "who said what sound bite" 25 years ago, but "setting up the system", so to speak. Yes, we give Hagin credit for articulating WoF tenets in a way that gave a fresh angle on what the church has somehow "missed."

    But let's describe from the Bible, what it teaches about the importance that God places on the "words we speak."

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    Key Verse: Romans 10:8-10
    But what does it say? “The word is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart,” that is, the message concerning faith that we proclaim: If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved.

    Takeaway: Our mouths are a critical part of our faith expression, as it activates our very salvation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonathan david View Post
    Key Verse: Romans 10:8-10
    But what does it say? “The word is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart,” that is, the message concerning faith that we proclaim: If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved.

    Takeaway: Our mouths are a critical part of our faith expression, as it activates our very salvation.
    Yes, a very critical part. That’s why my spirit is grieved when I hear some Believers constantly confess or complain how sick they are, broke, or depressed. When I hear how some speak negatively about their children. I’ve had to end a friendship with a dear sister because of her negative speak. It was depressing to say the least.

    “The words of a man's mouth are as deep waters, and the wellspring of wisdom as a flowing brook.

    A fool's mouth is his destruction, and his lips are the snare of his soul.

    A man's belly shall be satisfied with the fruit of his mouth; and with the increase of his lips shall he be filled. Death and life are in the power of the tongue: and they that love it shall eat the fruit thereof.”
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    And if you will notice, Romans 10:9 is Mark 11:23. Mark 11:23,24 is the general principle of faith, Romans 10:8-10 is the general principle specifically applied to salvation. Just like it can be specifically applied to salvation, it can be specifically applied to any promise of God.

    And speaking of 'promises' in the NT as related to redemption, they are not really 'promises' in the strict sense of the word, a guarantee of a 'future thing'. They are actually statements of past tense facts. It is what already has been done in Christ. And Mark 11:23,24 is the general principle involved in appropriating, receiving, and having what has already been done. Which if course directly relates to Romans 10:6,7 which is also a part of what you quoted. It's a done deal, Christ isn't going to repeat what he has done for us. And the victory of that is directly related to what is in our heart and what we say. The Word of Faith in our mouth and in our heart.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Valiant Woman View Post
    Yes, a very critical part. That's why my spirit is grieved when I hear some Believers constantly confess or complain how sick they are, broke, or depressed. When I hear how some speak negatively about their children. I've had to end a friendship with a dear sister because of her negative speak. It was depressing to say the least.
    The reason that is so damaging is because that is what they believe. If they didn't believe that they wouldn't be saying it. And it's clear that what we believe in our heart and say with our mouth will come to pass. Not to mention it reinforces that believe as opposed to tearing down the stronghold of that belief by declaring what the Word says. It's a heart thing and a mind renewal thing together. We overlook the part that confession and declaration has to do with meditation and renewing our minds to the truth of God's Word.

    What you expose your soul to, (especially what comes out of your mouth), your soul will conform to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuego View Post
    The reason that is so damaging is because that is what they believe. If they didn't believe that they wouldn't be saying it. And it's clear that what we believe in our heart and say with our mouth will come to pass. Not to mention it reinforces that believe as opposed to tearing down the stronghold of that belief by declaring what the Word says. It's a heart thing and a mind renewal thing together. We overlook the part that confession and declaration has to do with meditation and renewing our minds to the truth of God's Word.

    What you expose your soul to, (especially what comes out of your mouth), your soul will conform to.
    I don't think that the Empire State Building will fall on my head as I pass under it if I believe that it will. But believing or disbelieving God for something that is according to his will and expressing that faith or disbelief matters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuego View Post
    The reason that is so damaging is because that is what they believe. If they didn't believe that they wouldn't be saying it. And it's clear that what we believe in our heart and say with our mouth will come to pass. Not to mention it reinforces that believe as opposed to tearing down the stronghold of that belief by declaring what the Word says. It's a heart thing and a mind renewal thing together. We overlook the part that confession and declaration has to do with meditation and renewing our minds to the truth of God's Word.

    What you expose your soul to, (especially what comes out of your mouth), your soul will conform to.
    Oh yes, that’s good stuff. I agree. Several years ago, I heard teaching on Ephesians 4:23. It was explained that particular passage was speaking of the part of the mind that does things by rote. Wow! Immediately I got a revelation and it changed my life!

    As I understand the passage, I don’t think being renewed in the spirit of the mind is the same as renewing the mind, which means changing what we think or what we believe (Romans 12:2), the cure is the same because we study and meditate the Word, by applying it in our daily lives.

    However, to be renewed in “the spirit of the mind” (Eph. 4:23) will take a deeper application of the Word because these strongholds are deeply in bred in the mind and have been repetitious for years.

    Once I understood this, I had better success in applying 2 Corinthians 10:5 whenever I found myself slipping into that mechanical (rote) way of thinking certain thoughts or doing things a certain way w/o thinking about it.

    Webster’s 1828 Dictionary defines ‘rote’...”To fix in the memory by means of frequent repetition ourselves, or by hearing the repetition of others, without an effort of the understanding to comprehend what is repeated, and without the aid of rules or principles.” [Little used.]
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    From a historical standpoint, the "Word-Faith Movement" pre-dates the Pentecostal Movement. Faith-Cure (the name given to the original "Word-Faith" movement) started in 1843. Many of its proponents were originally in the Holiness movement that predated the Faith-Cure. As they studied and taught God's miraculous power to enable us to have victory over sin, this eventually led to understanding that this same power can supernaturally heal our bodies from the consequences of sin.

    Within the holiness movement Phoebe Palmer (during a time when women preachers were looked down upon due to a misunderstanding of Scripture) began teaching positive confession as a way to maintain one's walk of holiness. This truth, naturally, extended to the healing of the body. One of my favorite classic Bible teachers, A. B. Simpson, was very strong on teaching positive confession as well as John Alexander Dowie (who later became a little over-radical). Since E. W. Kenyon was a strong admirer of A. B. Simpson then I have no doubt that Simpson had a strong influence on Kenyon's understanding of this truth (and not the mind-science cults as our critics falsely claim).

    The Pentecostal movement (which came partly from the Holiness and Faith-Cure movements) also had people such as Dr. Lillian B. Yeomans and Missionary Cornelius Nuzum whose writings emphasized positive confession. These women, as well as Smith Wigglesworth, influenced Kenneth Hagin long before he had read any of Kenyon's books. So even if it was true that Kenyon learned these truths from the cults (though he did not, but even if he did, it doesn't mean that the cults were not teaching truth. Satan always takes truth and mixes it with lies), Kenneth Hagin did not first learn it from Kenyon and then later synthesized it into the Word-Faith Movement.

    But most important of all, the Bible is clear on the fact that we are to say what God says about our situation. It was the Israel calling themselves grasshoppers instead of declaring that they were more than able to overcome the Canaanites as God promised that kept them in the desert for 40 more years. Many other examples can be cited. How in the world can anyone claim to trust God but say the complete opposite of what He said?
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    Quote Originally Posted by victoryword View Post
    How in the world can anyone claim to trust God but say the complete opposite of what He said?
    That distills it all down into one succinct sentence.

    And the say the complete opposite of what he said because they believe the exact opposite of what he said. Even though most of the time they know what it says. Their big 'buts' get in the way. :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    I don't think that the Empire State Building will fall on my head as I pass under it if I believe that it will. But believing or disbelieving God for something that is according to his will and expressing that faith or disbelief matters.
    I assumed everyone would know that I was talking about the Word, not the Empire State Building. :)

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