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    The Baptism of the Holy Ghost is the greatest event in Christian history...

    The Baptism of the Holy Ghost is the greatest event in Christian history. Greater than the Crucifixion, of greater
    import than the Resurrection, greater than the Ascension, greater than the glorification. It was the end and
    finality of Crucifixion and Resurrection, Ascension and glorification.

    If Jesus Christ had been crucified, and there had been no resurrection, His death would have been without
    avail, in so far as the salvation of mankind is concerned. Or if He had risen from the grave in resurrection, and
    failed to reach the throne of God, and receive from the Father the Gift of the Holy Ghost, the purpose for which
    He died, and for which He arose, would have been missed.

    It is because there was no failure. It is because Jesus went to the ultimate, to the very Throne and heart of God,
    and secured right out of the heavenly treasury of the Eternal Soul, the Almighty Spirit, and poured it forth upon
    the world in divine baptism that we are here tonight...

    John G. Lake

    Part 1
    http://www.sermonindex.net/modules/a...icle&aid=23329

    Part 2
    http://www.sermonindex.net/modules/a...icle&aid=23328

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    That sounds like a Pentecostal who's arguing with non-Pentecostals. It would have been hard for the disciples to evangelize the world without the baptism in the Spirit but salvation was made available with the resurrection and the disciples were born again on the same day, when Jesus breathed the Holy Spirit on them in John 20:22.

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    I agree with his statement. The Holy Spirit has shared similar things with me over the years that affirm what he said. I have never read that quote from him until yesterday.

    Once in worship the Holy Spirit told me that my aim in witnessing was to get the person filled with the Holy Spirit. He never mentioned salvation. BUT, they can't get filled without getting saved. So His point was don't stop with salvation. You've stopped short, because the ultimate end is to have them 'endued with power from on high'. So if you always keep the true goal in sight, then you're going to take them through the whole process. So that in spirit agrees with what Lake said. Jesus didn't want them to do anything until they received the baptism in the Holy Spirit. That's how important it was. But it's been highly diminished today even in Pentecostal/Charismatic circles.

    Salvation was not the 'end'. Of course He wants us saved and going to heaven. But us going to heaven and escaping hell wasn't the ultimate purpose. The ultimate purpose was that through salvation we could become a vessel for the ultimate purpose, housing the Holy Spirit in power in order to be a witness.

    It's the same thing with people that want to say that 'it is finished' was a statement about redemption being finished when it wasn't yet. There was more left to do for redemption when He said that. Even if one doesn't believe Jesus went to hell in torment, there was still him being raised and sprinkling His blood on the heavenly mercy seat and being seated at the right hand of the Father before 'it is finished'.

    We just need to see the process through to the end when we lead someone into salvation. Don't forget the enduement with power, which was the ultimate end. And I think one of the reasons many Christians see it as so unimportant is that so few of us have really experienced what that relationship with the Holy Spirit was intended to be. We've never walked close to the communication and communion and power that He intended for us to have with Him.

    We resist the Holy Spirit when we downplay the baptism in the Holy Spirit and it's purpose.

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    It all depends on how one looks at it. Without the new birth noone would escape hell and enter heaven. Anyone can be born again without ever hearing about the baptism in the Spirit or meeting anyone who has received it. But the end result without the baptism in the Spirit would be far fewer souls in heaven. Realistically.

    The disciples got each other saved before receiving the baptism in the Spirit, they were at least 120 on the day of Pentecost, all born again believers. So the baptism in the Spirit was so that they would become more effective, not to make them effective at all.

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    Acts 19:2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed?

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    Love the Baptism in the Holy Spirit and love John G Lake but totally disagree 'that it is the greatest event in Christian history

    Jesus said the greatest rejoicing in heaven is when sinners are saved not even if they are healed or SIT
    Jesus also said do not rejoice that demons are subject to you in my name but rejoice that your names are written in heaven which is salvation
    2 quotes by Jesus elevating salvation

    Jesus also inaugurated the communion celebration not the Baptism in the Holy Spirit
    We can remember and give thanks for being baptised in the Spirit but there is no mention of it being celebrated by the church like communion

    The thief on the cross didn't NEED to be baptised in the Holy Spirit but he NEEDED SALVATION
    Many have been saved on their death beds - they needed the blood of Christ not to be baptised in the Spirit

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal TT View Post
    Love the Baptism in the Holy Spirit and love John G Lake but totally disagree 'that it is the greatest event in Christian history

    Jesus said the greatest rejoicing in heaven is when sinners are saved not even if they are healed or SIT
    Jesus also said do not rejoice that demons are subject to you in my name but rejoice that your names are written in heaven which is salvation
    2 quotes by Jesus elevating salvation

    Jesus also inaugurated the communion celebration not the Baptism in the Holy Spirit
    We can remember and give thanks for being baptised in the Spirit but there is no mention of it being celebrated by the church like communion

    The thief on the cross didn't NEED to be baptised in the Holy Spirit but he NEEDED SALVATION
    Many have been saved on their death beds - they needed the blood of Christ not to be baptised in the Spirit
    The end goal, that which really matters, is to get each person saved into heaven, not to get them born again at some point during this life. But it all starts with salvation being made available with the resurrection. And it doesn't depend on the person's being baptized with the Spirit at any point.

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    The Power of the Holy Spirit is needed in our personal lives for kingdom service, particularly in witnessing to get people saved.
    If you put God First, you have Him at Last.

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    Salvation through the death and Resurrection of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ! Without it we are hell bound.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal TT View Post
    Love the Baptism in the Holy Spirit and love John G Lake but totally disagree 'that it is the greatest event in Christian history

    Jesus said the greatest rejoicing in heaven is when sinners are saved not even if they are healed or SIT
    Jesus also said do not rejoice that demons are subject to you in my name but rejoice that your names are written in heaven which is salvation
    2 quotes by Jesus elevating salvation

    Jesus also inaugurated the communion celebration not the Baptism in the Holy Spirit
    We can remember and give thanks for being baptised in the Spirit but there is no mention of it being celebrated by the church like communion

    The thief on the cross didn't NEED to be baptised in the Holy Spirit but he NEEDED SALVATION
    Many have been saved on their death beds - they needed the blood of Christ not to be baptised in the Spirit
    The thing is, if one is going to be a faithful disciple, then they do need it. Jesus would not have told them to wait for this power to be His witnesses if it weren't important. By the way, the thief on the cross doesn't even count in these discussions, as he died under the Old Covenant, and the promise of the Father was part of the New Covenant.

    Yes, one can and does receive salvation apart from the baptism of the Holy Spirit. However, they cannot be all that God has called them to be without it.

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